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  • Yes, they should be allowed to demand a traditional Christian moral code from all teachers

    40 41.24%
  • They should be allowed if they prove they apply the same standards to all teachers

    4 4.12%
  • They should be allowed, but that doesn't make it right

    22 22.68%
  • They are discriminating against women, since fornication is more obvious with them

    3 3.09%
  • If the school board members can prove they never fornicated, then they stand on solid ground

    3 3.09%
  • Christian schools should not be allowed to discriminate on moral grounds

    11 11.34%
  • Christians are the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the face of the Earth!

    8 8.25%
  • Other response

    6 6.19%
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And I responded to this in post #51. Further... both federal and state laws protect workers from employment discrimination. In most areas these two bodies of law overlap; as an example, federal law permits state to enact their own statutes barring discrimination on the basis of race, gender, religion, national origin and age, so long as the state law does not provide less protections than federal law would. Federal law

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    The Florida labor law does not violate the Federal law in any way.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The Florida labor law does not violate the Federal law in any way.
    Wrong.

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    Title VII's broad prohibitions against sex discrimination specifically cover:

    Sexual Harassment - This includes practices ranging from direct requests for sexual favors to workplace conditions that create a hostile environment for persons of either gender, including same sex harassment. (The "hostile environment" standard also applies to harassment on the bases of race, color, national origin, religion, age, and disability.)
    Pregnancy Based Discrimination - Pregnancy, childbirth, and related medical conditions must be treated in the same way as other temporary illnesses or conditions.


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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Wrong.

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    Title VII's broad prohibitions against sex discrimination specifically cover:

    Sexual Harassment - This includes practices ranging from direct requests for sexual favors to workplace conditions that create a hostile environment for persons of either gender, including same sex harassment. (The "hostile environment" standard also applies to harassment on the bases of race, color, national origin, religion, age, and disability.)
    Pregnancy Based Discrimination - Pregnancy, childbirth, and related medical conditions must be treated in the same way as other temporary illnesses or conditions.


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    I think the pregnancy only clued the school into the possibility that the woman had premarital sex. She admitted to it when they asked. So she was fired for the premarital sex, not the pregnancy.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And if slavery is a condition of the contract?
    Slavery, by definition isn't a two-way agreement.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That kind of thinking led to things like child labor and other abuses. "Well they don't have to work for their employer if they don't like the abuse". That just doesn't fly anymore though.
    She isn't a child. She is an adult who is able to understand the consequences of her actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The employment agreement is a two way relationship but it is an uneven power balance between the employer and the employee. The employer holds a huge amount of leverage over the employee in the way of his salary, his reputation, his retirement vestment, health benefits, etc. For that reason, there are safeguards in place to prevent abusive situations, one of which is undue intrusion into the personal life of the employee by the employer. The employer solicits the responsibility...he advertises the position and entices the employee into his business. There is an understood agreement upon entering the employment relationship that the employee will perform his job function adequately and commensurate with the pay and the employer will treat the employee fairly and equally.
    If that wasn't part of the arrangement that she agreed to than she shouldn't have accepted it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What this woman is going to do is show a hostility toward her pregnancy and thereby her gender and make them pay through the nose...as well she should. The "at will" status of Florida's labor laws does not negate the employer's responsibility to not be abusive or intrusive. "At will" sounds really great and all and like the employee has every right to walk away just like the employer but even that is unbalanced. The employer might end the agreement on a whim with no repercussions, but you let the employee do that and there's all kinds of backlash in the form of reference and reputation problems.
    That's part of the risk that one takes.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Wrong.

    U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

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    Title VII's broad prohibitions against sex discrimination specifically cover:

    Sexual Harassment - This includes practices ranging from direct requests for sexual favors to workplace conditions that create a hostile environment for persons of either gender, including same sex harassment. (The "hostile environment" standard also applies to harassment on the bases of race, color, national origin, religion, age, and disability.)
    Pregnancy Based Discrimination - Pregnancy, childbirth, and related medical conditions must be treated in the same way as other temporary illnesses or conditions.


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    Not wrong.

    She was not fired for being pregnant. She was fired for premarital sex which according to the school is a breach of the moral contract she was shown and agreed to upon hiring.

    She surrendered the information freely as well, so no invasion or privacy either.

    As I said the Florida law does not in any way disagree with the Federal laws.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    I agree with Blackdog, it's not a violation of federal law. She was fired for her violation of the moral code that the school is entitled to make. She was fired for premarital sex only. It's not like they fired her instead of giving her maternity leave, which would be pregnancy-based discrimination. If the school is private and the employee was fully aware of the moral code, then she couldn't have engaged in the prohibited behavior and at the same time expected the school to betray their moral code, which she had knowledge of.

    I don't agree with it certainly, but they had a legal right to fire her.
    Last edited by sweEt Mauritius; 06-10-10 at 10:01 PM.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Didn't read the whole thing, so sorry if this is redundant.

    The owners of that school are almost certainly hypocrites, holier-than-thou types. I would bet money they had premarital sex just like the vast majority of Americans do. Hypocritical, judgmental people without Christian forgiveness. This is not a quality lesson they teach.
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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Didn't read the whole thing, so sorry if this is redundant.

    The owners of that school are almost certainly hypocrites, holier-than-thou types. I would bet money they had premarital sex just like the vast majority of Americans do. Hypocritical, judgmental people without Christian forgiveness. This is not a quality lesson they teach.
    Sure it is. The lesson they teach is that pre-marital sex is against the moral code they believe in.

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    Re: Should a Christian school be allowed to fire a teacher for fornication?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Sure it is. The lesson they teach is that pre-marital sex is against the moral code they believe in.
    But the thing is that they most surely violated that same moral code themselves.
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