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Do you own or someone in your household own a firearm?

Do you own or does someone in your household own a firearm?

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VoodooChild said:
Do you own or someone in your household own a firearm?



Simple question...
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Absolutely.
Currently a glock 22, .38 pea shooter antique, and a couple of 12 gauges.

The pistols are for backpacking trips and personal defense. Shotguns for hunting and skeet shooting.
 
The Mark said:
They don't exist.

Media hype.
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no cop has ever been killed by a KTV projectile designed to allow say a 9mm to penetrate a level IIA vest. There are vests that will stop even battle rifles but they are too heavy for general police duty. Crossbows, icepicks and spearguns will go through most cop vests

the bullet most likely to kill a cop is one he or his partner has been issued
 
Cop Killer bullets was the label the media put on them back in the days of the introduction of said bullets.
Suffice it to say, the kind of penetration advertised would make the bullet unsuitable for sporting purposes. I suppose if you spent a lot of time in grizzly country, you might want a lot of power, but power and penetration are not the same thing.
Personally, I doubt there are many animals in North America that require that kind of penetration.
Just owning a box of high penetration bullets was probably enough for some gun nuts to get an erection....and this was definitely long before Viagra was invented...
 
UtahBill said:
Cop Killer bullets was the label the media put on them back in the days of the introduction of said bullets.
Suffice it to say, the kind of penetration advertised would make the bullet unsuitable for sporting purposes. I suppose if you spent a lot of time in grizzly country, you might want a lot of power, but power and penetration are not the same thing.
Personally, I doubt there are many animals in North America that require that kind of penetration.
Just owning a box of high penetration bullets was probably enough for some gun nuts to get an erection....and this was definitely long before Viagra was invented...
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Actually it was what they labeled a black talon bullet. Which if you know about ballistics can see that it was less likley to penetrate IIa vests than a FMJ would in most situations. It was a lie created by said media. :prof:
 
UtahBill said:
Cop Killer bullets was the label the media put on them back in the days of the introduction of said bullets.
Suffice it to say, the kind of penetration advertised would make the bullet unsuitable for sporting purposes. I suppose if you spent a lot of time in grizzly country, you might want a lot of power, but power and penetration are not the same thing.
Personally, I doubt there are many animals in North America that require that kind of penetration.
Just owning a box of high penetration bullets was probably enough for some gun nuts to get an erection....and this was definitely long before Viagra was invented...
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Practically every large game bullet will penetrate a cops standard bullet proof vest.
I'm defining large game as anything from a hog or white tail deer to a Moose.

Many of those rounds have been around far longer than the existence of those vests.

"Cop killer bullet" is emotional media bunk.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Practically every large game bullet will penetrate a cops standard bullet proof vest.
I'm defining large game as anything from a hog or white tail deer to a Moose.

Many of those rounds have been around far longer than the existence of those vests.

"Cop killer bullet" is emotional media bunk.
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Far more accurate would be "Armor vest penetration round", or the like.
 
The Mark said:
Far more accurate would be "Armor vest penetration round", or the like.
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True but I was talking about all the variations of the .30 caliber hunting round as well as the early 45/70 government round, originally used to hunt buffalo.
Those will go through most standard police vests.

Hell I can buy a crate of steel core armor penetrating rounds for less than the price of the gun that fires it.
I have never heard of a cop being killed by them either.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Actually it was what they labeled a black talon bullet. Which if you know about ballistics can see that it was less likley to penetrate IIa vests than a FMJ would in most situations. It was a lie created by said media. :prof:
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Absolutely right, I was thinking of it but didn't want to mention in case I forgot any other rounds. Black talons are nasty rounds "if" you aren't wearing any type of body armor because they are a softer hollow point and not only mushroom but create a shrapnel effect of sorts on impact. But they won't have the necessary velocity to penetrate a typical BPV.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Absolutely right, I was thinking of it but didn't want to mention in case I forgot any other rounds. Black talons are nasty rounds "if" you aren't wearing any type of body armor because they are a softer hollow point and not only mushroom but create a shrapnel effect of sorts on impact. But they won't have the necessary velocity to penetrate a typical BPV.
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we all know that people like Josh Sugarmann, Sarah Brady and the rest of that scummy assortment of ARCs lie constantly. They also are inconsistent

First a bullet that doesn't expand is a cop killer bullet (KTV) then one that does expand like crazy (the exact opposite ) is a cop killer bullet meaning anything in between is now a cop killer bullet

The scum wanted to ban "saturday night specials" because they are 1) cheap, 2) easily concealable 3) inaccurate and have no relationship to the militia

then they wanted to ban semi auto rifles which are 1) expensive 2) large, 3) extremely accurate 4) and are based on military designs

In 1989 they claimed that 15-19 shot handguns should be banned. After the AWB many makers decided it was stupid to build a gun that can only hold 10 rounds but was big enough to take a 19 round magazine. so they built smaller guns that were just big enough to hold the clinton mandated mags

again the ARC asshats whined that these guns were SMALLER

In other words, the scum want to ban everything and will use terms designed to scare the sheep who don't know better
 
Yeah, I have three handguns, with plenty of ammo, though I haven't fired one since my army days.
 
Vincent said:
If I understand correctly, though, kevlar vests like the type police wear won't stop *any* rifle rounds unless it's just pistol ammo being fired from a rifle. If you want to stop rifle bullets, you need a hard armor plate, not just kevlar.
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exactly.....
 
Vincent said:
If I understand correctly, though, kevlar vests like the type police wear won't stop *any* rifle rounds unless it's just pistol ammo being fired from a rifle. If you want to stop rifle bullets, you need a hard armor plate, not just kevlar.
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Kevlar might stop rifle bullets at extreme range (when the bullets slow down a bit).

But yeah, I think you are correct.
 
No but I have been looking into buying one. TJ, Mexico is only 30 miles away with daily killings and drug wars.

Not to mention 2012 is just around the corner and we all know this country will turn into Mad Max after the Mayans blow the Earth up.
 
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