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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Show me in the Constitution of the United States where the states cannot secede. The onus is on you to back up that statement.
    The SCOTUS was given authority to rule on this. They did.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    But they can't secede.
    actually they can, as long as every other state agrees, or they can defend themselves martially.
    from wiki:Secession in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The Court held in a 5–3 decision that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null". However, the decision did allow some possibility of the divisibility "through revolution, or through consent of the States"
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    The SCOTUS was given authority to rule on this. They did.
    That's not what I asked and the Supreme Court lacks the delegated authority to decide constitutionality. It was a power they seized in Marburry v. Madison. I'll give you a hint... look in Article I Section X for stuff that is prohibited to the states.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    actually they can, as long as every other state agrees, or they can defend themselves martially.
    from wiki:Secession in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    That's not going to happen though.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    That's not going to happen though.
    probably not, but the caveat is there for any suicidal states thinking of secession.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Secession is perfectly legal under the Constitution of the United States and there is no clause prohibiting it. Here is the ratification of the Constitution by Virginia as written by James Madison.
    No, secession was illegal. The Virginia Constitution is irrelevant in this case. Firstly, the Articles of Confederation identified that they Union was "perpetual" and the Constitution strengthened this by creating "a more perfect Union". Further, this is discussed and identified in the Federalist Papers, the most commonly referenced documents by SCOTUS when discussing Constitutional law. Hamilton in Federalist #11:
    Let the thirteen States, bound together in a strict and indissoluble Union, concur in erecting one great American system, superior to the control of all transatlantic force or influence, and able to dictate the terms of the connection between the old and the new world!


    Citing Texas v. White is not a wise move since the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court was none other than Salmon P. Chase, Lincoln's Treasury Secretary, that declared to Lincoln during his presidency that fiat currency was legal then reverse his decision when he presided over a court case regarding foreign investors in order to discharge the debt held by these foreigners. He ruled that fiat currency was unconstitutional and the debt against the federal government in the green backs was discharged. It's a lot like asking Stalin to preside over a trial that pertains to his crimes against humanity.
    Irrelevant. Just because you do not like the decision does not make it wrong. It is part of legal precedence, indicating that secession was illegal.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It's not wise to cite stare decisis especially from Chase since he only got the Chief Justice position because he served as Lincoln's Secretary of the Treasury and had an axe to grind. How could else could he rule since if he ruled the opposite way would have made the Union victory null and void?
    Like I said, just because you do not like the decision, because it renders your argument null and void, doesn't matter. It is legal precedence and indentified that secession was illegal.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Like I said it's not a good cite since the justices were anything but impartial.
    Like I said, just because the decision voids your argument does not alter the fact that the decision rendered secession illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, secession was illegal. The Virginia Constitution is irrelevant in this case. Firstly, the Articles of Confederation identified that they Union was "perpetual" and the Constitution strengthened this by creating "a more perfect Union". Further, this is discussed and identified in the Federalist Papers, the most commonly referenced documents by SCOTUS when discussing Constitutional law. Hamilton in Federalist #11:
    The Articles of Confederation became null and void the moment the states were sent the Constitution to be ratified. The Congress of the Confederation ceased to exist as a governing body. The preamble of the Constitution is not law and neither is citing a paper written by the monarchist Hamilton, who was laughed and ridiculed out of the Philadelphia Convention. The only authority that is acceptable is Thomas Jefferson, the Anti-Federalists, and James Madison. They all disagree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Irrelevant. Just because you do not like the decision does not make it wrong. It is part of legal precedence, indicating that secession was illegal.
    I already pointed out why it was wrong since there's nothing in the Constitution prohibiting the states from seceding. If Chase and the majority had actually adhered to the Constitution they would have rendered the entire war and the roughly 1 million dead pointless. He had no choice but to make a political decision to keep the war 'legal' (it wasn't a declared war as per the Constitution to begin with).

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    A: South Carolina was an independent nation at the time it was an invasion.
    No, it wasn't. It was illegally seizing federal property and illegally seceding.

    B: Show me where in the Constitution of the United States that secession is prohibited to the states.
    See post #336.

    C: HistoryNet disproves that Captain Anderson didn't move from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter.
    Even if this is accurate. Beauregard fired on Fort Sumpter, illegally firing on a US military base.

    The crux of your argument that secession was not illegal is false, and since your premise is false, everything that flows from it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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