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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Good luck getting the USSC to revisit it.
    You don't need SCOTUS to revisit it. The states can determine that for themselves.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    You don't need SCOTUS to revisit it. The states can determine that for themselves.
    The states can determine whether it is Constitutional to secede?

    Now that is a conflict of interest.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    The states can determine whether it is Constitutional to secede?

    Now that is a conflict of interest.
    Is it a conflict of interest for the United States to secede from the United Nations? Is it a conflict of interest when one spouse divorces another? That's what secession is. It's a separation of a bond between two different parties. The states are all signatories (married to the other states forming the US) and they can leave the compact at any time they wish.

    I present the first divorce decree/secession between England and the thirteen colonies.

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Is it a conflict of interest for the United States to secede from the United Nations? Is it a conflict of interest when one spouse divorces another? That's what secession is. It's a separation of a bond between two different parties. The states are all signatories (married to the other states forming the US) and they can leave the compact at any time they wish.
    Obviously, they can't. Texas v. White is the law. A state can't disagree and render the Constitution meaningless.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Obviously, they can't. Texas v. White is the law. A state can't disagree and render the Constitution meaningless.
    Actually, Texas v. White isn't a law. It is stare decisis which is case law not legislated law. Here is the legal definition for stare decisis.

    It is a general maxim that when a point has been settled by decision, it forms a precedent which is not afterwards to be departed from. The doctrine of stare decisis is not always to be relied upon, for the courts find it necessary to overrule cases which have been hastily decided, or contrary to principle. Many hundreds of such overruled cases may be found in the American and English books of reports. Mr. Greenleaf has made a collection of such cases, to which the reader is referred. Vide 1 Kent, Com. 477; Livingst. Syst. of Pen. Law, 104, 5.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Obviously, they can't. Texas v. White is the law. A state can't disagree and render the Constitution meaningless.
    when you think about it though, thats pretty meaingless, if they secede, then that law no longer applies to them.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    when you think about it though, thats pretty meaingless, if they secede, then that law no longer applies to them.
    But they can't secede.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    But they can't secede.
    Show me in the Constitution of the United States where the states cannot secede. The onus is on you to back up that statement.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    As evidenced by a period map of Charleston Harbor you can see that Captain Anderson invaded South Carolina in his move from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter, in addition to theft of fishing vessels (owned by citizens of South Carolina) to move his troops. Fort Moultrie is located on Sullivan Island and Fort Sumter sits in the center of the harbor with the harbor waters under South Carolina's control since it is their territorial waters.

    Since South Carolina was part of the US and secession was illegal, Captain Anderson did no such thing. His move was entirely legal.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Since South Carolina was part of the US and secession was illegal, Captain Anderson did no such thing. His move was entirely legal.
    A: South Carolina was an independent nation at the time it was an invasion.

    B: Show me where in the Constitution of the United States that secession is prohibited to the states.

    C: HistoryNet disproves that Captain Anderson didn't move from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter.

    The Union soldiers saw no one as they marched out of Fort Moultrie just after sunset on December 26, 1860, and made their way through the tiny town of Moultrieville, South Carolina, to the sea wall where their bobbing boats were moored.

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