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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It wasn't even so much that it was a tariff but that it was aimed only at agricultural exports from the south. Manufactured goods, which basically meant the whole economy of the North, were exempt from the Tariff.
    True, but it was a very high rate also.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    True, but it was a very high rate also.
    Absolutely. And the 1828 tariff was 45%. It was set high to stop the south from trading with Brittain, in particular. Protectionist tariffs aimed at one region to prop up another region of the same country would naturally progress to war in almost any case, I would think.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Absolutely. And the 1828 tariff was 45%. It was set high to stop the south from trading with Brittain, in particular. Protectionist tariffs aimed at one region to prop up another region of the same country would naturally progress to war in almost any case, I would think.
    History definitely proves that theory to be correct.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is a groos misinterpretation. Captain Anderson could not have "invaded" South Carolina by moving his troops to Fort Sumter. Fort Sumter was a US military installation, and therefore US military property. He has every right to move his troops there.
    As evidenced by a period map of Charleston Harbor you can see that Captain Anderson invaded South Carolina in his move from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter, in addition to theft of fishing vessels (owned by citizens of South Carolina) to move his troops. Fort Moultrie is located on Sullivan Island and Fort Sumter sits in the center of the harbor with the harbor waters under South Carolina's control since it is their territorial waters.


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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Also, for those who are interested. secession is illegal (though revolution may not be). Madison himself, considered "The Father of the Constitution" agreed that secession was not a constitutional right in a letter to Daniel Webster, and the fact that the language of the Constitution differed from the language of the Articled of Confederation in the US NOT being a "confederation" "a league" or "a contract". with phrases like "in perpetuity" added. The Supreme Court agreed, and validated that secession was unconstitutional in Texas v. White.
    Secession is perfectly legal under the Constitution of the United States and there is no clause prohibiting it. Here is the ratification of the Constitution by Virginia as written by James Madison.

    WE the Delegates of the people of Virginia, duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly, and now met in Convention, having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceedings of the Federal Convention, and being prepared as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us, to decide thereon, DO in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression, and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will: that therefore no right of any denomination, can be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified, by the Congress, by the Senate or House of Representatives acting in any capacity, by the President or any department or officer of the United States, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes: and that among other essential rights, the liberty of conscience and of the press cannot be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified by any authority of the United States.
    Citing Texas v. White is not a wise move since the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court was none other than Salmon P. Chase, Lincoln's Treasury Secretary, that declared to Lincoln during his presidency that fiat currency was legal then reverse his decision when he presided over a court case regarding foreign investors in order to discharge the debt held by these foreigners. He ruled that fiat currency was unconstitutional and the debt against the federal government in the green backs was discharged. It's a lot like asking Stalin to preside over a trial that pertains to his crimes against humanity.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Texas v. White was the ruling. It is wise to cite it. It doesn't matter what Chase's opinions were previously in another job.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Texas v. White was the ruling. It is wise to cite it. It doesn't matter what Chase's opinions were previously in another job.
    It's not wise to cite stare decisis especially from Chase since he only got the Chief Justice position because he served as Lincoln's Secretary of the Treasury and had an axe to grind. How could else could he rule since if he ruled the opposite way would have made the Union victory null and void?

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It's not wise to cite stare decisis especially from Chase since he only got the Chief Justice position because he served as Lincoln's Secretary of the Treasury and had an axe to grind. How could else could he rule since if he ruled the opposite way would have made the Union victory null and void?
    He ruled how he ruled. Until the USSC revisits the issue, that's all that matters. Four other Justices ruled that way too.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    He ruled how he ruled. Until the USSC revisits the issue, that's all that matters. Four other Justices ruled that way too.
    Like I said it's not a good cite since the justices were anything but impartial.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Like I said it's not a good cite since the justices were anything but impartial.
    Good luck getting the USSC to revisit it.
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