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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You are showing that you hear whatever it is that you want to hear at the time and not what is actually being said. It's a shame that you appear to want to hear Stormfront so often.
    Your references to "deplorable tactics" were implicit references to my quotation of Stormfront posts, unless you were referring to something else, so you were interested in my own interest in Stormfront, in that sense. Your mention of it in this post just validates that more.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, I didn't need to do anything at all. However, in the interest of truth, I did go past that and your truncation of my statement doesn't change its original poignance.
    I know. It was reciprocation aimed at your own usage of that tactic.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    Your references to "deplorable tactics" were implicit references to my quotation of Stormfront posts,
    Well...DUH!

    I know. It was reciprocation aimed at your own usage of that tactic.
    Imitation is a high form of flattery, so I suppose I should cut you some slack given your admited adoration on that front.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well...DUH!
    Then...you're interested in my references to Stormfront, since you care enough to continue replying, which contradicts your statements to the contrary.

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    Imitation is a high form of flattery, so I suppose I should cut you some slack given your admited adoration on that front.
    If I was interested in "admiting" such a thing, I mite staart typen leik dis, you know?

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    Then...you're interested in my references to Stormfront, since you care enough to continue replying, which contradicts your statements to the contrary.
    You can repeat it till you choke on it but it doesn't make it any more true than it did the first time you said it.

    If I was interested in "admiting" such a thing, I mite staart typen leik dis, you know?
    Well I'm glad you take the time to proof read my typos but your affectionate obsession over the grammatical content of my posts is kinda creepy.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    If I have the opportunity to do that in many threads, that should be a bad omen for the social conservatives as to the number of ways that they line up with Stormfront, from immigration to welfare and affirmative action to Confederate iconography and "states' rights" as opposed to bigoted segregation, etc.

    I'm just trying to warn people to be mindful of the authoritarian and liberty-destroying facets of some white populist beliefs, since in their extreme form, they lead to things such as Japanese internment, waves of attacks on Middle Easterners, etc.
    Here's your problem with your stormfront comparisons. You are taking comments from posters here, and attempting to turn them into general positions comparable to positions of members of stormfront. Problem is, most of the stormfronters positions are extreme versions of the posters that you are attacking, here. Not only is this a straw man argument, but each and every time you do it, it is nothing but an ad hom... since you know that comparing a poster here to a stormfronter is an insult. Ad homs, which as you so clearly pointed out on your "pyramid", are quite low on the disagreement hierarchy when it comes to effective debate tactics. You might want to modify this, as these ad homs aren't very successful in this or any of your other debates.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Hey!....I watch NASCAR and I am not even close to being a redneck......
    You don't see enough traffic in Los Angeles?
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    Zyphlin said nothing to my most recent attempt to refute him, since he's not here at the moment. I'm just pointing out that your "blunt condemnation" is pretty worthless, since it's a low-ranking form on the disagreement hierarchy.



    It's a contradiction, and a response to tone. You should try to refute the central point instead, if you think you're up for it.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    You don't see enough traffic in Los Angeles?
    I try to take the subway as much as possible.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Actually, they had been fluctuating between 1816 and 1860. The real spike in the tariffs came in 1828 with the tariff of abominations which actually caused a rift between Jackson and Calhoun because of just how targeted the tariff was toward the south. In effect, it made export of cotton to Brittain so costly that the south had only one option: sell their resources at a markedly reduced rate to the north who then manufactured goods and sold them at exorbitant prices to the south. It was a truly abominable act on the part of congress to pass that tariff and that is where the rift between the north and the south pretty much became irreparable without bloodshed.

    That tariff led to a series of heated arguments between the north and the south which culminated in the Nullification Crisis...pretty much a situation where the Southern states convened popular conventions and drafted their own legal philosophies regarding the Constitution as a contract between states and not a supreme law of the land, giving South Carolina, in particular, the right to nullify the tariff (which by this point had been redrafted as the Tariff of Abominations of 1832, reduced by 10%, leaving it still at a staggering 35%). In response, Jackson had Congress draw up the Force Bill which granted the PotUS the power to call up state militias and use the army and navy to put down insurrection. At this point, Calhoun left his post as VP and ran for senate. The conventions reconvened and passed rulings that nullified the Force Act. This is basically the stage that was set for Lincoln upon his inauguration. If he had really wanted to keep the peace and unity of the nation, he would have done something about the tariffs, but instead, he reaffirmed the tariffs, pleasing his northern industrial supporters but alienating the agrarian south. In fact, when South Carolina did secede, he was quoted as having said "But what will become of MY tariff"? No, Lincoln was not interested in peace and unity at all, but rather keeping his industrial northern supporters happy. Even in the 1800's, politicians were whores to their business interests.

    The issue of slavery didn't even come into the picture in force until British Abolitionists, bereft of any reason to support the south now that the Tariff made trade with the south unprofitable, began to kick up a storm about slavery. The pressure to end slavery in the south came from abroad more than anywhere else and it was used to leverage other diplomatic issues, which Lincoln ultimately capitulated to because he couldn't handle a civil war at home without giving it some meaning. The slavery issue was the perfect excuse for prosecuting a war to keep the union intact but he didn't go freeing slaves out of his humanitarian interest in the plight of the displaced African at all.
    What I have found is that it was about a 70% increase, from 17% overall to 26% overall and 21% to 36% on dutiable items. I can see how that was a major issue.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What I have found is that it was about a 70% increase, from 17% overall to 26% overall and 21% to 36% on dutiable items. I can see how that was a major issue.
    It wasn't even so much that it was a tariff but that it was aimed only at agricultural exports from the south. Manufactured goods, which basically meant the whole economy of the North, were exempt from the Tariff.

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