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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't equate the confederate flag with being redneck. Or being racist.

    Rednecks are by and large blue collar rural folks. My dad is one. I certainly have some redneck tendencies myself. I don't see it as a particularly perjorative term, but then, I look down on people who put on airs. Some of my good friends are redneck as hell.
    Ditto that. My entire family is redneck, all the way back as far as I am aware of.

    While I was in college, I had the confederate flag on my dorm wall along with the stars and stripes. (and oddly, none of the black guys I brought back there to **** seemed bothered by it... but then again, maybe they had more important things on their minds. )

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I've done a ton of reading on the Civil War and took many classes on the time period in college. It's the most interesting time period in history, to me. The Civil War was NOT primarily about slavery. Slavery was a secondary force. The primary issues were regional diversity both in economics and in culture, political power differentials, and states rights. Ultimately, I always see the Civil War as a war between those that believe in a strong federal government and those who believe in strong states' rights.

    As far as Lincoln goes, I always consider each and every action he made, and every word he said, that of the greatest politician we ever had. His primary goal was to keep the Union in tact and pretty much everything he said and did filtered from that. The Emancipation Proclamation was political, an effort to garner support for the war (which was already 3 years old and taking a major toll on the country) and to keep the Union in tact. Lincoln was a great President, and I admire his dedication to the country, but make no mistake. He was a politician through and through... and a great one. HE is more responsible, with his political maneuvering of keeping the border states from seceding than anything else.

    Slavery was an ancillary issue.

    Also, for those who are interested. secession is illegal (though revolution may not be). Madison himself, considered "The Father of the Constitution" agreed that secession was not a constitutional right in a letter to Daniel Webster, and the fact that the language of the Constitution differed from the language of the Articled of Confederation in the US NOT being a "confederation" "a league" or "a contract". with phrases like "in perpetuity" added. The Supreme Court agreed, and validated that secession was unconstitutional in Texas v. White.
    The fighting began in April of 1861. The Emancipation Proclamation was given in September 1862. That was almost 18 months, not 3 years.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its seems funny that most black do not use the word and the only ones who mostly seem to be using that word are the youth who didn't went through racial segregation, slavery, race riots and other racial oppression. Yeah there are a few exceptions and are a some old people who use the word.
    While the things your mention were not experienced by the youth, that doesn't mean they haven't experienced any racism.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why did you take it as a compliment? Was it the context how she was using the word or the fact she is a black person using the word?
    I already told you why I took it as a compliment. She was using it in the context of me being cool with her. It's still possible for a black person to use it in an insulting way.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Would you have taken it as a compliment if she was white and called you "her nigga" or would you have acted like a hypocrite and got onto her for using the word nigga regardless of the fact she meant no disrespect?
    While it would have been a compliment still, I personally would have been uncomfortable with her using it. IMO it's poor taste for white people to use it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am sure it stings some people to see white people dating black people, but in today's society ignorant racist are ignored.Just as ignorant racist should not be tolerated ignorant racial double standards should not be tolerated as well.
    Racial double standards do not equate to racism. Racism is about one race being superior to another. The double standard is blowback from previous unequal treatment.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Irrelevant. A racial slur is still a racial slur.
    In a vacuum yes. However there are other conditions that add to the insult. White people haven't been oppressed by black people here in America like vice versa.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Unless "they've" grew up during when this country had racial segregation and when this country was forcing integration , they haven't been through ****. Just because someone has a ancestor,grandfather, or father that went through some horrible times does not mean that individual has.
    It also doesn't mean that they haven't experienced racism firsthand.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No one can have an exclusive license over a word.If a word is truly offensive and hurtful then no one should say it regardless if how they are using that word. If nigger or nigga is offensive when a white person says it regardless of the context that individual is using those words, then it should be just as equally offensive when a black person says those words. Because you have no room to bitch when someone else uses that word if you yourself use that word or are tolerant of someone else using that word. This is why that race parasite who feeds of the color of his skin to remain relevant Al Sharpton got ignored and why others pointed out what a hypocrite he is when he came out against Don Imus.
    If all things were equal historically you would be correct. You can't ignore history.

    Al Sharpton is irrelevant. Don Imus was wrong in what he said.

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    Intent is important. However I am grown man with better things to do than worry about what some stranger on the street says.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Even if it is use primarily against white people. Do you feel that the aim of the insult is against their race or culture?
    It depends. I cannot generalize how the term is used like that. Some people may use it honestly as a culture, but others in a more racist way. The term "redneck" however is clearly meant to be a "jab" at people who have that culture, not just a "reference."

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm having trouble with tryin to take someone seriously that continually and repeatedly links to Stormfront as if they're somehow a representation and demonstrative proof of anything other than idiotic white surpremists that are an tiny minority within the Tea Party momvenet and the Republican Party let alone the south and America as a whole.

    Go to the forums of extremists of just about any particular mindset and you're going to find outrageous and idiotic comments.
    Except that what Cochise is showing are exact parallels between what self-proclaimed "white nationalist" psychos on Stormfront are saying, and what some posters here are saying.

    Did you even bother to read the links, in conjunction with the quotes in Cochise's post?

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm having trouble with tryin to take someone seriously that continually and repeatedly links to Stormfront as if they're somehow a representation and demonstrative proof of anything other than idiotic white surpremists that are an tiny minority within the Tea Party momvenet and the Republican Party let alone the south and America as a whole.

    Go to the forums of extremists of just about any particular mindset and you're going to find outrageous and idiotic comments.
    I said that "the foundations for white populism do exist in the social conservative mindset, though the transformation to explicitly racist beliefs is relatively uncommon." I never said that social conservatives were generally white supremacists. But the large majority of white supremacists are social/cultural conservatives, because the axiomatic foundations for white supremacist beliefs are there.

    The similarities between the rhetoric of white supremacists and those of social conservatives are not incidental correlations. White supremacists that did not start that way generally began with the social/cultural conservative opposition to "entitlements" such as welfare, affirmative action, and immigrant amnesty. The human tendency to generalize simply caused them to subconsciously associate these entitlements with non-whites, and eventually convert that into a conscious association.

    The major difference is that white supremacists are ultimately less inclined to support unrestricted capitalism. Mainline social conservatives do, because they see it as a means of rewarding the hard-working productive and punishing the lazy unproductive, motivating them to change their ways. But since white supremacists have come to consciously associate laziness and non-productivity with non-whites, they believe that separatism will be a relatively effective solution.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Except that what Cochise is showing are exact parallels between what self-proclaimed "white nationalist" psychos on Stormfront are saying, and what some posters here are saying.

    Did you even bother to read the links, in conjunction with the quotes in Cochise's post?
    So because Stormfront people say something Im not supposed to agree with it, even if I do?

    I don't agree with everything they say, but upon occasion they actually get a few things right.... like almost everyone.

    What is that saying... "Even a broken clock is right twice per day" or something like that.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    There seems to be some confusion about this word. I tend to use it to refer to a culture, where others seem to want to use it to refer to a race.
    I don't really think there's a redneck culture let alone race. The term redneck describes an anomaly within white rural culture to me.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So because Stormfront people say something Im not supposed to agree with it, even if I do?

    I don't agree with everything they say, but upon occasion they actually get a few things right.... like almost everyone.

    What is that saying... "Even a broken clock is right twice per day" or something like that.
    As I said, it's not an incidental correlation, but a matter of shared axiomatic values. It's the difference between "You have a mustache; you must have something in common with Hitler and Stalin" and "You advocate totalitarian government rule; you must have something in common with Hitler and Stalin." I'm not pointing out that you share the same favorite color; I'm pointing out that you share a lot of the same rhetoric based on your mutually shared axiomatic values. I'm also not saying that you're a white supremacist, but that you're more inclined to become one than a bleeding-heart ACLU member.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    People need not to be ashamed to be called rednecks. I live in another country but I respect them and understand that they are the backbone of the American society and without them America would not be able to exist economically or otherwise. I do not mean that everybody can or should become a redneck but they deserve respect. The meaning of this word cannot be disclosed in a short defenition but the thread is a useful means.

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