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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The context of the word is not determined by other people but the person using the word. If context was determined by other people instead of the person using the word then Media Matters would be right about every conservative talk show host or talk show host perceived to be a conservative. A black person who uses the word nigger or any form of that word or tolerates others using that word has absolutely no room to bitch about people of other races using that word.
    Black people use it to take power away from the word when speaking to one another. One day this girl in my college class said about me, "That's my nigga, IT2002". I wasn't offended. I took it as a compliment. Context is important. She was paying me a compliment saying I was one of her peeps. I would still never call her "nigga" because I'm not stupid. I know it may be offensive to her or someone who may overhear it. It stings to hear that come from a white person's mouth. It's not hard to understand. If it's a choice between slavery and not being able to use a slur, I'll take not being able to use the slur.

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    White people usually do not go around calling each other cracker.The only time I seen white people call each other cracker is because they were mocking black people calling each other nigga.
    Yeah, that's because white people weren't oppressed like the darker shades of people were. There's nothing to take back.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What matters is how and why someone is using a particular word in whether or not that word being used a insult. Saying I get offended when white people use the word niggar but not black people is like saying I get offended when I see white people rap or black people date white people.
    After all they've been through, they can have exclusive license to the word for all I care. Richard Prior should have Trademarked it.

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    I wouldn't care.

    That's ironic considering earlier in this post you said context and intent was important. I agree it is important.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Y'all can call me a redneck. I'll get over it. It doesn't particularly offend me.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    What's really funny is that the Stormfronters can't even spell "Tea Partiers" properly.
    Well, that's what happens when illegal immigrants to America don't learn the indigenous language and assimilate.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    There seems to be some confusion about this word. I tend to use it to refer to a culture, where others seem to want to use it to refer to a race.
    Do you also dignify the term 'white trash', by considering its cultural or racial aspects?

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Lincoln sought to preserve the Union. Slavery had nothing to with it. not to mention that Lincoln was a racist and didn't wants whites and blacks living among each other. Lincoln didn't issue the Emancipation Proclamation until two years after the war began; plus it only applied to Confederate held territory. Places like Kentucky, Maryland and New Orleans were exempt, because they weren't Confederate held territories.
    But do you know WHY he did that? Not because he was racist. It was completely political. He felt that if he "freed" the slaves in the border states, those states would seceed to the Confederacy. It was a completely political move. Lincoln was probably one of the most consumate politicians this country has ever seen.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Lincoln wanted war which is why he had the Star of the West, flying US Navy colors invade South Carolina's waters to resupply Fort Sumter in January of 1861. Fort Sumter was the result of Captain Anderson, US Army, invading South Carolina when he moved his troops from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter on December 25, 1860. On April 13, 1861 there was a fleet of US Navy ships entering the harbor that consisted of 2 ships of the line, a sloop of war, and a troop transport to resupply Fort Sumter. Brig. General Beauregard had sent the third and final request for surrender to Captain Anderson after the US navy fleet entered Charleston Harbor at about 4 AM. Anderson refused and hoped for the navy fleet would reach his position before day break. Beauregard ordered the defenses of Charleston to open fire in defense of a naval fleet that was under orders to resupply the fort or to invade Charleston and secure it. Lincoln always wanted war.
    This is a groos misinterpretation. Captain Anderson could not have "invaded" South Carolina by moving his troops to Fort Sumter. Fort Sumter was a US military installation, and therefore US military property. He has every right to move his troops there.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    I've done a ton of reading on the Civil War and took many classes on the time period in college. It's the most interesting time period in history, to me. The Civil War was NOT primarily about slavery. Slavery was a secondary force. The primary issues were regional diversity both in economics and in culture, political power differentials, and states rights. Ultimately, I always see the Civil War as a war between those that believe in a strong federal government and those who believe in strong states' rights.

    As far as Lincoln goes, I always consider each and every action he made, and every word he said, that of the greatest politician we ever had. His primary goal was to keep the Union in tact and pretty much everything he said and did filtered from that. The Emancipation Proclamation was political, an effort to garner support for the war (which was already 3 years old and taking a major toll on the country) and to keep the Union in tact. Lincoln was a great President, and I admire his dedication to the country, but make no mistake. He was a politician through and through... and a great one. HE is more responsible, with his political maneuvering of keeping the border states from seceding than anything else.

    Slavery was an ancillary issue.

    Also, for those who are interested. secession is illegal (though revolution may not be). Madison himself, considered "The Father of the Constitution" agreed that secession was not a constitutional right in a letter to Daniel Webster, and the fact that the language of the Constitution differed from the language of the Articled of Confederation in the US NOT being a "confederation" "a league" or "a contract". with phrases like "in perpetuity" added. The Supreme Court agreed, and validated that secession was unconstitutional in Texas v. White.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I'm guessing you didn't see "Tropical Thunder".
    I haven't seen the movie.
    However, I have seen all the youtube outrage vidoes, articles, etc on the 'racist' nature of the movie.

    Probably doesn't make it racist though.... you know them race baiters...
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    I'm having trouble with tryin to take someone seriously that continually and repeatedly links to Stormfront as if they're somehow a representation and demonstrative proof of anything other than idiotic white surpremists that are an tiny minority within the Tea Party momvenet and the Republican Party let alone the south and America as a whole.

    Go to the forums of extremists of just about any particular mindset and you're going to find outrageous and idiotic comments.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Black people use it to take power away from the word when speaking to one another. .
    Its seems funny that most black do not use the word and the only ones who mostly seem to be using that word are the youth who didn't went through racial segregation, slavery, race riots and other racial oppression. Yeah there are a few exceptions and are a some old people who use the word.


    One day this girl in my college class said about me, "That's my nigga, IT2002". I wasn't offended. I took it as a compliment. Context is important. She was paying me a compliment saying I was one of her peeps. I would still never call her "nigga" because I'm not stupid
    Why did you take it as a compliment? Was it the context how she was using the word or the fact she is a black person using the word?

    Would you have taken it as a compliment if she was white and called you "her nigga" or would you have acted like a hypocrite and got onto her for using the word nigga regardless of the fact she meant no disrespect?

    I know it may be offensive to her or someone who may overhear it. It stings to hear that come from a white person's mouth. It's not hard to understand. If it's a choice between slavery and not being able to use a slur, I'll take not being able to use the slur.
    I am sure it stings some people to see white people dating black people, but in today's society ignorant racist are ignored.Just as ignorant racist should not be tolerated ignorant racial double standards should not be tolerated as well.

    Yeah, that's because white people weren't oppressed like the darker shades of people were. There's nothing to take back.
    Irrelevant. A racial slur is still a racial slur.

    After all they've been through,
    Unless "they've" grew up during when this country had racial segregation and when this country was forcing integration , they haven't been through ****. Just because someone has a ancestor,grandfather, or father that went through some horrible times does not mean that individual has.

    they can have exclusive license to the word for all I care. Richard Prior should have Trademarked it.
    No one can have an exclusive license over a word.If a word is truly offensive and hurtful then no one should say it regardless if how they are using that word. If nigger or nigga is offensive when a white person says it regardless of the context that individual is using those words, then it should be just as equally offensive when a black person says those words. Because you have no room to bitch when someone else uses that word if you yourself use that word or are tolerant of someone else using that word. This is why that race parasite who feeds of the color of his skin to remain relevant Al Sharpton got ignored and why others pointed out what a hypocrite he is when he came out against Don Imus.

    That's ironic considering earlier in this post you said context and intent was important. I agree it is important.
    Intent is important. However I am grown man with better things to do than worry about what some stranger on the street says.
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