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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    When communicating, you must take into account who your audience is and how it will be received.
    The context of the word is not determined by other people but the person using the word. If context was determined by other people instead of the person using the word then Media Matters would be right about every conservative talk show host or talk show host perceived to be a conservative. A black person who uses the word nigger or any form of that word or tolerates others using that word has absolutely no room to bitch about people of other races using that word.

    Of course no one gets upset when white people call each other crackers.
    White people usually do not go around calling each other cracker.The only time I seen white people call each other cracker is because they were mocking black people calling each other nigga.


    It's obviously not an insult.
    What matters is how and why someone is using a particular word in whether or not that word being used a insult. Saying I get offended when white people use the word niggar but not black people is like saying I get offended when I see white people rap or black people date white people.

    If a black guy you don't know calls you a cracker you are going to wonder why he is at best, being rude, or at worst, being downright disrespectful.
    I wouldn't care.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Try doing a "blackface" comedy routine in Central Park, and get back to us on how that works out.

    I'm guessing you didn't see "Tropical Thunder".

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I'm guessing you didn't see "Tropical Thunder".
    yep thats another one, whats that 4 examples now
    talking about putting your fot in your mouth lol
    PURE STUPIDITY 1.) Glenn Beck doesnt lie. 2.) Obama is Jesus like 3.) Sara Palin is so smart & shes a great speaker. 4.) Obama does just about everything perfect. 5.) Fox doesn' t lean right 6.) Pro-Choice is no different than Pro-Slavery 7.) MSNBC doesn't lean left. 8.) What TSA does is no different than sexual assault & child porn.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I find the whole "Not about slavery" and "all about slavery" thing an interesting and intriguing parallel to the discussions regarding 9/11 today and "not about Islam" and "all about islam" arguments. I think in both cases the people taking the "Not About" route are essentially not, one and all, necessarily discounting that said thing was part of the reasons for it but instead taking issue with HOW its presented.

    For example, in regards to 9/11 and the War on Terror they take exception to the seeming way its been made out that Islam is seemingly morally bad and unquestionably evil and must be stopped. In regards to the Civil War its the implication and seeming notion that the North was fighting because they wanted the freedom and liberation of the Slaves because they found it morally reprehensible while the South was just pissed off that they wouldn't be able to use slaves anymore and they liked Slavery.

    In both cases, its a far more complex and nuanced situation than what the general presentation is, and because of it those that reject the common presentation tend to often go too far the other way by completely acting like that particular thing (Islam/Slavery) that unquestionably was a large factor in many of the secondary reasons didn't even play into it or played into it minorly.

    The economics, political, and territorial issues that helped spur on the creation of the Confederacy and the start of the war was, pretty much, stirred primarily above all else by the slavery issue. Would it have happened if not for the slavery issue? Quite possibly...but the historical facts is it was tied to that. So while it isn't like its often made out when done in simple terms, that the South just loved them some enslaving of people and wanted to keep doing that, Slavery was completely interwoven into all the various other reasons for the secession (either as a partial reason for that issue or as a major reason for it). This is similar to 9/11 where there were definite political, economical, and territorial issues that helped spur further the attack and it wasn't just because "Islam views us all as infidels and wants us dead so they attacked us" like its often presented in the most simplistic of terms; however the extreme following of Islams tenets and philosophies can be found completely interwoven into all the various other reasons for the attacks (either as a partial reason or as a major reason).

    Its always interesting to me how history can repeat itself and patterns routinely continue to play out over and over again.
    There has to be examination of why historical revisionism would appeal to people to begin with. There are many lies and a lot of misinformation throughout standard historical accounts. Some things are more innocuous than others. Some of the myths are used in support of political dogma, and are therefore challenged with "accurate" revisions, or what detractors believe to be accurate revisions, at any rate. That's the premise behind Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States, loathed by many on the right, though I personally feel that it makes many good points. That's also the premise behind emphasis on high Amerindian population numbers and the urbanism of various indigenous societies, in direct challenge to the pristine wilderness untouched by wandering nomadic tribes that exists in public school curricula.

    And yes, it's also the premise behind Civil War revisionism. Some more "nationalistic" Southerners disliked the legacy that the Civil War had acquired, and have moved beyond local and regional pride to publication of literature that challenged prevailing ideas about Civil War history. That nationalism is motivated by the same underlying mindset that inspires white populism, and includes resentment of social welfare and affirmative action programs supposedly given to racial minorities as unfair rewards for lack of work. Pat Buchanan summarizes it well.

    In 1860, the South saw power passing indefinitely to a new regime, a Republican Party that represented high-tariff industrialists and New England radicals and abolitionists who despised the agrarian South and celebrated the raid on Harper's Ferry by the terrorist John Brown, who had sought to incite a slave uprising, such as had occurred in Santo Domingo.

    What called the Tea Party into existence?

    Some are angry over unchecked immigration and the failure to control our borders and send the illegals back. Some are angry over the loss of manufacturing jobs. Some are angry over winless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some are angry over ethnic preferences they see as favoring minorities over them.

    What they agree upon, however, is that they have been treading water for a decade, working harder and harder with little or no improvement in their family standard of living. They see the government as taking more of their income in taxes, seeking more control over their institutions, creating entitlements for others not them, plunging the nation into unpayable debt, and inviting inflation or a default that can wipe out what they have saved.
    We can see the basic elements of social conservatism overlapping with some kind of populist rhetoric there, at the very least. Back to the Civil War discussion, this hatred of John Brown's insurrection is interesting, because that was indisputably about slavery. It seems that there is more of an objection to violent encroachment on slaveowners' "rights" than plain opposition to Northern interference, no matter the cause. Here's a validation:

    John Brown, who was born in Connecticut, collected accomplices and financial backers for his mass murder expeditions.

    It was in this milieu that abolitionism, as opposed to the antislavery sentiment shared by many Americans, including Southerners, had its origins. Abolitionism, despite what has been said later, was not based on sympathy for the black people nor on an ideal of natural rights. It was based on the hysterical conviction that Southern slaveholders were evil sinners who stood in the way of fulfillment of America’s divine mission to establish Heaven on Earth. It was not the Union that our Southern forefathers seceded from, but the deadly combination of Yankee greed and righteousness.
    It is not unusual or strange that Confederate iconography is popular among white supremacists who yearn for yesterday's social order, because they know that it was destroyed in the South by federal encroachment.

    The Confederate Flag - Stormfront

    Absolutely you should fly it! There is no reason on earth why it can't be your flag too. Like someone else said, the Star Spangled Cross is one of the forefront symbols of White Pride, not only here in America but even in Europe. I also once saw a newspaper article about a guy in cuba (I think it was cuba, not quite sure, but some island place like that) that was flying it and they were giving him trouble about it.

    The Battle Flag of Dixie stands for the values embraced by the C.S.A. and the belief system and (White) pride of the Southern White culture. True Southern culture is under attack from the liberals everywhere, because it is so pro-white. It is the cause, and thus the value and belief system of the Confederacy, that that flag stands for most, and having geographically southern ancestors is not really what makes one a Confederate Southerner.

    Even during the civil war days there were northerners who were on the side of the South. Their Yankee neighbors called them Copperheads, they meant it as an insult, but today many people who are Southern in their hearts claim the name with pride.

    You don't have to be from the Geographical south to have a Southern heart (or a Dixie Flag!)

    Keep it flying, Comrade!

    Deo Vindice, God Bless!
    The Confederate Flag - Stormfront

    The confederate flag reminds of when the states had sovereignty and this country was once a great republic.
    The Confederate Flag - Stormfront

    I have been reading up on the "civil war" and came to really understand that the South really did stand for independence and the values that we are carrying out today. Ill be flying the flag, thats for sure I came back from Mississippi with my girlfriend (her mom lives there) and the lifestyle is great aside from the mass amount of negros there. Saw alot of southern pride and I loved it.
    The Confederate Flag - Stormfront

    Fly it, but don't bother getting one that says 'Heritage, Not Hate.' That might as well say 'Please, can I display this flag? I don't hate negroes, I promise!' The South is hated and made fun of by liberals and other unsavory characters because its people know, but mostly knew, as in past tense, the score. The South did not go quietly into that bad night, and it paid. White Pride is the father of Southern Pride.
    The Confederate Flag - Stormfront

    The Confederate Flag most certainly does have some very real things to do with race and WNism. I agree with you, that slavery really didn’t have anything to do with it (other than that the abolitionists and people like John Brown were terrorizing the South), but that doesn’t mean that race had nothing to do with it: It did. Just look into the very real racial issues at play during the reconstruction and you will see that race did have something to do with it. Race had something to do with it, my friend, because the principles of WNism were born and bred into Southern culture. It was Southern values that were really being defended; and God, Race, and freedom were high on the priority list of any true Southerner.

    Yes there were many political matters of power and states’ rights, but let’s not lose touch with the main reasons our proud Confederate forefathers fought and died: Why were they so concerned about the states’ rights issue? Because it threatened to blunt and destroy their cherished values and belief system, their culture and homes as they knew them, and loved them, and believed they should be. This is the reason they fought, not for some abstract idea that the states should have certain powers, but because they knew if the states didn’t have those powers, something irreplaceable might be lost forever.
    The Confederate Flag - Stormfront

    The Confederate Battle flag is an American flag. The Confederate States considered themselves the continuation of the original Republic and revered the founding fathers and the principles of limited government and the Constitution. George Washington appears on the Great Seal of the Confederacy.

    The flag is a symbol of a time of simpler values, where loyalty to your kin, your God, and your Nation, hard work, and the love of your fellow man were paramount in value. The men and women who fought under it sacrificed everything in their struggle to preserve their culture. While the South lost the war, it was never defeated.

    It is symbol that is both feared and revered around the world and for good reason.
    These aren't incidental correlations. White supremacists were inspired to adopt the views that they have because they generally possess the same underlying system of conceptual axioms that social conservatives do. Social conservatives perceive racial minorities as receiving various entitlements that they have not earned, and therefore have a tendency to subconsciously generalize that many are lazy and profit off the hard work of others. That's why polls of the tea party movement revealed that they believed that African-Americans would be better off if they only worked harder, for example.

    Political views, racist ones certainly included, are not formed when a previously apolitical person sits down one day and logically deduces each and every one of his or her stances. Rather, they’re formed by upbringing, experiences, and the intuitions that result. As with mainline conservatives, most white supremacists were at one point simply resentful of the greater "entitlements" that racial minorities received for no merits other than the color of their skin (ultimately becoming more immoral than whites as a result of their acceptance of them), and eventually took that to a higher level.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    there many other movies too
    stir crazy comes to mind
    chevy chase did it too in a skit or movie
    Dan Akroyd in Trading Places.

    Gene Wilder did it too.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I've seen many black comedians use the "white guy voice". They all sounds similar, it sounds like Urkel.
    And it's nothing near a redneck impersonation, because the "redneck" identity isn't associated with whites in the U.S. to the extent that the "ghetto" identity is associated with blacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Are you implying im some kind of racist?
    Are you in agreement with or sympathetic to the general character of these posts? Not just slight individual points; we can all manage that. Do you think that, for the most part, they express accurate statements?

    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Stormfront

    The tea party crowd are comprised of ordinary White Americans, just as White Nationalists are. Culturally and traditionally, they're basically the same as White Nationalists - both rooted in the earlier paleo-conservative value system. The only difference might be that the neo-conservatives seem to think they can manipulate the tea partiers much more easily than they can manipulate White Nationalists. Of course, from the liberal side, the only thing they can throw out is the "race card," so therefore they will keep using the label of "racist" against the tea partiers. "Racist" is really the only rhetorical weapon the liberals have in their arsenal, and since they disingenuously overuse that label as much as they do, even that is starting to lose its power.

    Instead of mindlessly throwing around labels like "racist," liberals might actually have to make real, genuine arguments in the future - something they've proven incapable of doing. They've come to rely so much on calling people "racist" to get their way, they use it mostly as a crutch these days.
    As we can see, the foundations for white populism do exist in the social conservative mindset, though the transformation to explicitly racist beliefs is relatively uncommon. But the common resentment can be seen:

    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Stormfront

    I think that the slander "racist" is thrown around indiscriminately, against anyone who is white who organizes against the government.

    In your own post, you made the statement that since 90% of the Tea Partiers were white, it must evidence that they are racists. Its a fraudulent association. If there was an organization that is 90% of Black, or 90% Mestizo, or 90% Jewish, or even a 90% Non-White, regardless of background, would you use that as evidence that said organization is racist. If your answer is no, then its hypocrisy.

    As an aside, the CNN poll states that the Tea Partier movement is 80% white, 10% hispanic, 2% Black, 8% other. And of course these are self-identifications. There is no reason to assume these percentages are in line with true racial background.

    Basically, the Tea Partiers just want to be left alone by the government, and I don't think they have much more ideology than that. Less Government, Less Taxes, Less Bureacracy, less government Social Engineering, thats the tea partier goal. Because, this is in direct contradiction of the Multicults program, more government to make more social Engineering, enforced by thugs with guns and billy clubs at any expense, the Tea Partiers are on the firing line. However the Multicult can't just come out and say, "you want too much freedom, you want too much liberty" they instead call them Racists. And Academia, supports this by defining Racist as anyone who doesn't want to be socially engineered.

    The people on SF who call themselves WN, for the most part, just want to be left alone by the government, they don't want to be social engineered either. However, because social engineering is painful and oppressive, many people are radicallized and pushed into a rage, and basically provoked into being "mean". And then of course the Multicult points to the result while ignoring the cause.
    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Stormfront

    No one knows if the 90% number is accurate. As a Tea Party member I can say that Whites are a majority in the Tea Party movement, but then again whites are the majority in this country. Whites are the majority of taxpayers and true conservatives. There are a few black and hispanic members of the Tea Party but I think the reason for this is the fact that most blacks and hispanics are liberals, not true conservatives.

    True conservatives believe in a small central government with little taxation and governmental intrusion, self reliance, and the freedom to succeed or fail according to each individuals' abilities. Liberals are just the opposite. They believe in a large government with the power to punish those who succeed through taxation, legislation and the redistribution of wealth in order to achieve "social justice".

    The Tea Party is accused of racism simply because they disagree with the policies of President Obama because he is black. The real truth is that President Obama is a socialist and socialism is the direct opposite of conservatism.
    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Stormfront

    I have never seen one example or even argument that shows how redistributing the wealth of hard working successful people to less hard working unsuccessful people will benefit the Nation.
    The wealth of the “hard-working successful people” (since conservatives’ belief in equality of opportunity means that the wealthy generally rose to that level through persistent hard work), is “redistributed” to the “less hard working unsuccessful people,” those immoral folk who sit and wait for government handouts instead of working for their rewards like the good and upright rich people. Since humans think in generalities and race is a convenient categorization mechanism, and since most of the moral rich hard workers are thought to be white, with most of the immoral and lazy welfare dependents thought to be racial minorities, these groups come to be associated with morality and immorality, respectively. This is further validated by others in that thread:

    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Page 2 - Stormfront

    As for race, most do seem to be White. But so what? Maybe its because its mostly the White middle class that pays all the taxes?
    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Page 2 - Stormfront

    What is truly repellent is the way the media leaped with joy at the first opportunity presented to smear the Tea Party as racist following the alleged incident involving black lawmakers walking towards the Capitol to vote on the health care bill. For those who do not know the story here is a summery: on their way to the House of Representatives, several black congressmen claimed that they were hurdled the N word at least 15 times and spat upon as well by Tea Partiers. Of course, this was like manna from heaven for the liberal mainstream media and they promptly seized upon this to illustrate that the primary motivating factor behind the Tea Party movement as well as any opposition to Obama's agenda is racism. Much was made of this incident and the fact that the majority of the Tea Partiers are whites which of course automatically "proves" that the Tea Party is a new version of the KKK, at least as far as liberals enamored of diversity are concerned.
    So in answer to your question, not necessarily, but more likely you than me. And more likely you than people who haven’t expressed such sentiments.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Dan Akroyd in Trading Places.

    Gene Wilder did it too.
    yep mentioned gene already in stir crazy but that like a quick 5 or 6 LOL
    PURE STUPIDITY 1.) Glenn Beck doesnt lie. 2.) Obama is Jesus like 3.) Sara Palin is so smart & shes a great speaker. 4.) Obama does just about everything perfect. 5.) Fox doesn' t lean right 6.) Pro-Choice is no different than Pro-Slavery 7.) MSNBC doesn't lean left. 8.) What TSA does is no different than sexual assault & child porn.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    And it's nothing near a redneck impersonation, because the "redneck" identity isn't associated with whites in the U.S. to the extent that the "ghetto" identity is associated with blacks.



    Are you in agreement with or sympathetic to the general character of these posts? Not just slight individual points; we can all manage that. Do you think that, for the most part, they express accurate statements?

    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Stormfront



    As we can see, the foundations for white populism do exist in the social conservative mindset, though the transformation to explicitly racist beliefs is relatively uncommon. But the common resentment can be seen:

    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Stormfront


    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Stormfront



    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Stormfront



    The wealth of the “hard-working successful people” (since conservatives’ belief in equality of opportunity means that the wealthy generally rose to that level through persistent hard work), is “redistributed” to the “less hard working unsuccessful people,” those immoral folk who sit and wait for government handouts instead of working for their rewards like the good and upright rich people. Since humans think in generalities and race is a convenient categorization mechanism, and since most of the moral rich hard workers are thought to be white, with most of the immoral and lazy welfare dependents thought to be racial minorities, these groups come to be associated with morality and immorality, respectively. This is further validated by others in that thread:

    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Page 2 - Stormfront



    Are Tea Partyiers Racist? - Page 2 - Stormfront



    So in answer to your question, not necessarily, but more likely you than me. And more likely you than people who haven’t expressed such sentiments.
    What's really funny is that the Stormfronters can't even spell "Tea Partiers" properly.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    I don't equate the confederate flag with being redneck. Or being racist.

    Rednecks are by and large blue collar rural folks. My dad is one. I certainly have some redneck tendencies myself. I don't see it as a particularly perjorative term, but then, I look down on people who put on airs. Some of my good friends are redneck as hell.

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    Well I ain't never
    Been the barbie doll type
    No I can't swig that sweet champagne
    I'd rather drink beer all night
    In a tavern or in a honky tonk
    Or on a 4 wheel drive tailgate
    I've got posters on my wall of Skynard, Kid and Strait
    Some people look down on me
    But I don't give a rip
    I'll stand barefooted in my own front yard with a baby on my hip

    Cause I'm a redneck woman
    And I ain't no high class broad
    I'm just a product of my raisin'
    And I say "hey y'all" and "Yee Haw"
    And I keep my Christmas lights on, on my front porch all year long
    And I know all the words to every Charlie Daniels song
    So here's to all my sisters out there keepin' it country
    Let me get a big "Hell Yeah" from the redneck girls like me
    Hell Yeah
    Hell Yeah

    Victoria's Secret
    Well their stuff's real nice
    Oh but I can buy the same damn thing on a Wal*Mart shelf half price
    And still look sexy
    Just as sexy
    As those models on TV
    No I don't need no designer tag to make my man want me
    You might think I'm trashy
    A little too hard core
    But get in my neck of the woods
    I'm just the girl next door

    Hey I'm redneck woman
    And I ain't no high class broad
    I'm just a product of my raisin'
    And I say "hey y'all" and "Yee Haw"
    And I keep my Christmas lights on, on my front porch all year long
    And I know all the words to every Tanya Tucker song
    So here's to all my sisters out there keeping it country
    Let me get a big "Hell Yeah" from the redneck girls like me
    Hell Yeah
    Hell Yeah

    I'm redneck woman
    And I ain't no high class broad
    I'm just a product of my raisin'
    And I say "hey y'all" and "Yee Haw"
    And I keep my Christmas lights on, on my front porch all year long
    And I know all the words to every Ol' Bocephus song
    So here's to all my sisters out there keeping it country
    Let me get a big "Hell Yeah" from the redneck girls like me
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