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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    There seems to be some confusion about this word. I tend to use it to refer to a culture, where others seem to want to use it to refer to a race.
    I think it refers to a culture, with severe undertones focusing upon a particular race when used stereotypically.

    I equate someone calling something "Redneck" to someone calling something "Ghetto".

    One does not need to be black to live in a Ghetto, yet it is often referred to in such a way as to imply or correlate with black, must the same as redneck does with white.

    So I believe its primarily a cultural reference, but unquestionably tied to the race most commonly associated with the stereotype.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    They also won't work without an overseer, and an intricate system of incentives and disincentives in place, all of which costs money.
    They're prisoners, after all.
    It's not like they joyfully picked cotton at top speed all day, every day- year in and year out, for their entire lives- out of love for and a sense of duty toward their masters.
    Inducing them to actually work, rather than drag their feet and sabotage everything, could not have been a cheap proposition.
    Too true.

    So in the effort to avoid hiring some employees to *do* the actual work - they have to hire employees to ensure that the slaves *do* the actual work.

    I fail to see a balance or a positive there.

    Now, though, we have "volunteer" slavery - illegals - doing all this same work.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Beatings and worse kept them in line. That wasn't expensive.
    Unbelievably, from what my research has been able to turn up, most owners did not actually beat their slaves much, if at all.
    Most of the slaves owned by my family, for instance, and even their children, remained with my family after emancipation and worked as sharecroppers. They had their own cabins and everything. The cabins are still there, on our land.
    If only the threat of torture had kept them there, they surely would've left as soon as the chance presented itself. They're human, after all.

    I think most owners treated their slaves more like retarded family members or valuable pets, prone to wander off if one wasn't careful.
    Not that this is more admirable than beating the crap out of them; it's heinous. It's appalling that intelligent adult human beings- generations of them- had to live this way, all of their human potential extinguished like that.
    But I don't think that all slave owners were cruel to their slaves. Especially the ones who only owned a few.
    They probably cared about their well-being, in a sick, twisted but genuine way.
    Which is actually worse, to my way of thinking.

    The past, blech. **** it.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    One fellow I knew was a black farmer, who flew the Stars and Bars at his house and also had a confederate flag on his truck.
    Seriously, I wonder at people who act like there are not blacks that don't use the Confederate Flag and makes me wonder if they've actually spent considerable amount of time in the south, or are just lying. I've known or seen a fair number of blacks in Southwest Virginia and Fredericksburg VA that have had it on a shirt/sticker/class ring/etc.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Seriously, I wonder at people who act like there are not blacks that don't use the Confederate Flag and makes me wonder if they've actually spent considerable amount of time in the south, or are just lying. I've known or seen a fair number of blacks in Southwest Virginia and Fredericksburg VA that have had it on a shirt/sticker/class ring/etc.
    Well, there was a high school here, Travis High, and their mascot was the Rebels, and their logo included the stars and bars.
    Over time, due to white flight from the area, it became a largely black high school, and in the late 90s, somebody finally protested against all these black kids being forced to wear confederate flags on their football jerseys. It was sort of a hot-button issue here, for about a week.
    Finally, i think, they ended up changing the mascot. To what, I don't remember.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think it refers to a culture, with severe undertones focusing upon a particular race when used stereotypically.

    I equate someone calling something "Redneck" to someone calling something "Ghetto".

    One does not need to be black to live in a Ghetto, yet it is often referred to in such a way as to imply or correlate with black, must the same as redneck does with white.

    So I believe its primarily a cultural reference, but unquestionably tied to the race most commonly associated with the stereotype.
    A minority of rural whites are referred to as "rednecks." A majority of urban blacks could fall under the connotation "ghetto." The latter will therefore have a much stronger association with a general conception of African-Americans.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You see no irony from your complaint and the fact that your avatar has a Confederate symbol in it, yet you call yourself The Patriot?

    You have your interpretation of what the Confederate flag means and obviously don't care what others think. But you expect people to accept your definition of redneck as a racist term.

    Why do YOU get to define everything for everyone? Why do we have to accept that your flag doesn't represent racism and treason and is anti-American and we also have to accept that "redneck" is a racist term. Where is it written that you get to define all social symbols for everyone?
    And yet, again, Why do YOU get to define everything for everyone?

    Why do you get to define what the Confederate flag means, or that its totally acceptable to call someone a redneck but not call another person "ghetto" if they happen to be black.

    Because, to be honest, we all know that the above two definitions are more crammed down our throat by the ignorant media than The Patriot's version of the story.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Seriously, I wonder at people who act like there are not blacks that don't use the Confederate Flag and makes me wonder if they've actually spent considerable amount of time in the south, or are just lying. I've known or seen a fair number of blacks in Southwest Virginia and Fredericksburg VA that have had it on a shirt/sticker/class ring/etc.
    Most of them probably know nothing about the South, other than crap they've heard or seen on TV... which is the same as nothing.

    "Your Star" claims to live around Atlanta... if so she has a very odd hatred for her own regional culture. Then again, many of the far-left seem to hate their own country, I suppose hating your own region/culture is likely also.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    This is a bizarre post to write. . .

    Not even looking at the "slave costs" for housing and feeding, etc - there's also the fact that slavery is dealing with people who have free-will.

    When confined and forced against their will they're more likely to run off, turn on their 'owners' and so on.

    Take the issues surrounding the Berlin Wall, for example - they had to confine everyone and took away their rights and severed them from their family, basically turning them into slaves. Yet the free will of some challenged every technology they threw at the strength of the wall - made it more and more costly and challenging to keep people captive and confined.
    It, slowly, began to fall apart.

    Any form of slavery will eventually become cost-constraining as you'll have to continue to improve your surrounding and battlements, fences and means of confinement - as well as covering the cost of the dwindling numbers (escape, death, killed while being re-captured) and so on.

    It's a self-destructing cycle that is unsustainable in the long run.
    I was speaking strictly in economic terms. And unless they were close to a non-slave holding state, they weren't going to get very far if they ran off. On top of that, they knew that those they left behind would pay the price for their absence. If they turned on their owners, they would pay the price for that as well. Intimidation isn't as expensive as some would purport.

    The Berlin Wall is a poor analogy. People didn't violently revolt and get it tore down. They didn't all escape. And if they did escape, it wouldn't be obvious by sight alone that they were East German. Communism failed for many reasons. Yes, economics was a big part of that, but it wasn't maintaining the Berlin Wall that did it. I would argue the Great Wall of China is more costly to maintain. (I understand that it was designed to keep invaders out, but that's not important as it's the cost of upkeep that is the issue.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I have no problem "being intolerant" of people who wave confederate flags around in my face.
    The south has a recent history that it's hurtful to me to be reminded of. And I'm not even black.
    Thank God, because if I were, I doubt I'd be able to contain my rage.
    So what you are saying is you would act like a savage, uncivilized, animal?

    Great, just give racist idiots more ammunition...
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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