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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    There seems to be some confusion about this word. I tend to use it to refer to a culture, where others seem to want to use it to refer to a race.
    As I brought up in the other thread I've only heard of it used as a racial slur against whites.
    Sure, i see some people who try to use it against a culture, as you've suggested (the stereotypical 'bumpkin' type) - but the use is quite liberal (not political, as in - liberally spread around) to all whites. Just as the term 'nigger' is known as a racial slur against all blacks - however - some people try to claim it as purely a cultural slur, now, and only use it to describe a 'ghetto thug' or whatever.

    I've been called 'redneck' just because of where I live - based on the fact that I'm white and live in a small town.
    Per the 'cultural use' of it - I'm not poor, uneducated, racist or anything that would be 'redneck' according to your thought process. So, to me, it's purely racist and unacceptable just as the use of the term 'wetback' and 'jap'

    I prefer people just don't use it - but hick or bumpkin, yeah, these have never been explicitly race-based and thus cultural slurs.

    however, why does that still make them acceptable? As if slandering someone's culture is OK or acceptable?
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Massachussets was the first to legalize it, for a British colony, and the first to criminalize it, but only after they sold all of their slaves in the south.
    The first to criminalize it as a colony was Georgia.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Politics existed back then too. Lincoln didn't want to go to war, so he had to try to appease the southern states with statements like these. He actually was one of the first politicians to debate about the issue of slavery in his earlier days. And once the war broke out we saw his true feelings on the subject.
    Lincoln wanted war which is why he had the Star of the West, flying US Navy colors invade South Carolina's waters to resupply Fort Sumter in January of 1861. Fort Sumter was the result of Captain Anderson, US Army, invading South Carolina when he moved his troops from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter on December 25, 1860. On April 13, 1861 there was a fleet of US Navy ships entering the harbor that consisted of 2 ships of the line, a sloop of war, and a troop transport to resupply Fort Sumter. Brig. General Beauregard had sent the third and final request for surrender to Captain Anderson after the US navy fleet entered Charleston Harbor at about 4 AM. Anderson refused and hoped for the navy fleet would reach his position before day break. Beauregard ordered the defenses of Charleston to open fire in defense of a naval fleet that was under orders to resupply the fort or to invade Charleston and secure it. Lincoln always wanted war.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The first to criminalize it as a colony was Georgia.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Lincoln sought to preserve the Union. Slavery had nothing to with it. not to mention that Lincoln was a racist and didn't wants whites and blacks living among each other. Lincoln didn't issue the Emancipation Proclamation until two years after the war began; plus it only applied to Confederate held territory. Places like Kentucky, Maryland and New Orleans were exempt, because they weren't Confederate held territories.
    Lincoln was a man of his time and a politician.
    While I do agree preserving the Union was top priority, Lincoln did change his tune, as the world around him changed.


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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    Lincoln was a man of his time and a politician.
    While I do agree preserving the Union was top priority, Lincoln did change his tune, as the world around him changed.
    That's what people don't understand about Margaret Sanger (and everybody else who lived two hundred years ago): that was the way things were. There was no other known way.
    Someone who expressed modern day ideas about human rights at that time not only would never have ascended to a position of social or political leadership, but probably would've been locked up in an insane asylum and tortured.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    My mistakes.
    No biggie, the point of that factoid was to show the moral superiority types that slavery was legalized based on utilitarian usage and that only when it was no longer needed did the northern states decide to criminalize it.

    The fact of the matter is that, most people like to point that finger not realizing that there are 3 other fingers, pointing right back at them.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No biggie, the point of that factoid was to show the moral superiority types that slavery was legalized based on utilitarian usage and that only when it was no longer needed did the northern states decide to criminalize it.

    The fact of the matter is that, most people like to point that finger not realizing that there are 3 other fingers, pointing right back at them.
    My understanding is that it was based on pragmatism; the largely industrial North's economy didn't require slaves by the 1800s; the southern agrarian economy did.
    Although I think it was on its way out anyway, what with the invention of the cotton gin and other mechanical gadgets and gizmos which made hand-picking and manual labor less essential.
    By the 1900s, slavery probably would've no longer been economically advantageous to the South.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    My understanding is that it was based on pragmatism; the largely industrial North's economy didn't require slaves by the 1800s; the southern agrarian economy did.
    Although I think it was on its way out anyway, what with the invention of the cotton gin and other mechanical gadgets and gizmos which made hand-picking less essential.
    That's exactly right.

    That in no way means I support slavery or discrimination based on arbitrary reasons.
    On the other hand, I won't apologize for things I didn't do.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Lincoln wanted war which is why he had the Star of the West, flying US Navy colors invade South Carolina's waters to resupply Fort Sumter in January of 1861. Fort Sumter was the result of Captain Anderson, US Army, invading South Carolina when he moved his troops from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter on December 25, 1860. On April 13, 1861 there was a fleet of US Navy ships entering the harbor that consisted of 2 ships of the line, a sloop of war, and a troop transport to resupply Fort Sumter. Brig. General Beauregard had sent the third and final request for surrender to Captain Anderson after the US navy fleet entered Charleston Harbor at about 4 AM. Anderson refused and hoped for the navy fleet would reach his position before day break. Beauregard ordered the defenses of Charleston to open fire in defense of a naval fleet that was under orders to resupply the fort or to invade Charleston and secure it. Lincoln always wanted war.
    So the Confederates fire first, yet you blame it on the north? Completely ignoring the fact that South Carolina succeeding is treason, and more than enough justification for war.

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