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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Again, a very narrow perspective.

    I've studied the civil war very carefully. The primary causes and issues were economics and political power. Northeastern states dominated Congress and wanted to enact tariffs and other restrictions on trade that would destroy the south economically. Southern states responded by challenging Fedgov power, declaring provisions they considered intolerable "null and void" within their borders.

    Slavery was actually more of a side-issue, until Lincoln decided to make it a "causus belli", a propaganda tool to demonize the opposition and make the war seem like a glorious fight of good against evil, rather than its real causes: the greed of various Northern industrial and shipping concerns, and the desire of certain political figures to make the central government supreme over the states.

    Learn a little history.
    I have learned that no matter what we say or do, we will always be labeled as racist, KKK hood wearing, Nazi sympathizers because of where we are from.

    It's funny that the supposed "progressives" can't wrap their head around letting go of past mistakes that were committed by people that may or may not have been related to either one of us.
    As far as I can tell, no one in my family owned a single slave.

    The people I can trace, were furniture makes from NC and the other side immigrated in the 1920's.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    If its a well know fact show me numbers.

    And the main cause of the Civil war was slavery. It was slavery that divided the country, and it was slavery that caused the Civil War. And please don't give me that states rights bullcrap, the only reason the southern states wanted states rights is so they could keep their slaves.
    Lincoln's own words from his first inaugural address disagrees with you.

    I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

    In doing this there needs to be no bloodshed or violence; and there shall be none, unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion -- no using of force against or among the people anywhere.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Lincoln's own words from his first inaugural address disagrees with you.

    I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

    In doing this there needs to be no bloodshed or violence; and there shall be none, unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion -- no using of force against or among the people anywhere.
    Times change. He also said this:

    A House Divided
    A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently half-slave and half-free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved - I do not expect the house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other.

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    I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    To the British, you damn well bet the colonies were treasonous.

    Here's the difference: the Union won. They get to set the terms.

    And yes, the flag has represented terrible things done by this nation to minorities on many levels. But, since the Union won, it also has represented all the things that were done to correct it. The Stars and Bars only represented the losing side of a war fought to maintain a racist institution.
    I'll quote Jefferson Davis, "A question settled by violence shall forever remain unanswered." Are you saying that just because the United States won an illegal war strips all southerners of their rights to choose their political bands and alliances forever?

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    To the British, you damn well bet the colonies were treasonous.

    Here's the difference: the Union won. They get to set the terms.

    And yes, the flag has represented terrible things done by this nation to minorities on many levels. But, since the Union won, it also has represented all the things that were done to correct it. The Stars and Bars only represented the losing side of a war fought to maintain a racist institution.

    Talk to some historians who have studied the civil war, and its causes, in detail. I have. Regardless of their political orientation or personal family background, they know the truth: the primary causes of the war were economic, and also a struggle over political power. Slavery was a relatively secondary issue.

    I took an advanced, graduate-level history course on the Civil War in college. My professor was a left-leaning world-traveller who grew up in the Northeast. His position on CW causes was what I've just said: it was mainly about economics and politics, not slavery.

    I can't compress a semester-long graduate-level course into a post or two for you, however.

    If you're determined to remain ignorant, help yourself. Otherwise, you need to study the matter a bit more. Your viewpoint at present is very shallow and uninformed.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    Times change. He also said this:

    A House Divided
    A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently half-slave and half-free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved - I do not expect the house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other.

    All Men are Created Equal
    Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
    “I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”

    “Such separation … must be effected by colonization … The enterprise is a difficult one, but where there is a will there is a way, and what colonization needs now is a hearty will. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.”

    You were saying?

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    For something to be "racist" there has to be a clear message of a person thinking their race is superior to another or all other races.
    Being proud of a specific cultural heritage is not inherently racist.
    Have you convinced people of that? If you have not - and you haven't - then you fail in your communication.

    Were you successful, blacks and other races would fly it.

    You don't win.

    The swastika is actually a symbol in many Eastern religions - most predominantly Hinduism. How many Hindu temples in the US or Europe use that symbol anymore? Why - when they obviously could claim completely peaceful motives - do they choose not to use that symbol? Answer - because they understand that it's a symbol that has become hurtful to people. So, out of respect, they choose not to use it.

    It's about respect. No matter how hard you try, most people aside from Southern whites aren't going to see the Confederate as anything but a symbol of slavery and treason. It was also flown by whites in the South during the Civil Rights struggle specifically for the purposes of making sure Southern blacks knew their place. It's been adopted by many racist organizations.

    So, why do you want to associate with it if you know that's what it makes people think? Because even if it's not racist, it's at least a f*** you.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    “I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”

    “Such separation … must be effected by colonization … The enterprise is a difficult one, but where there is a will there is a way, and what colonization needs now is a hearty will. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.”

    You were saying?
    This is a world of compensations; and he who would be no slave, must consent to have no slave.
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    We could do this all day long. The point remains that times change, the world changed.
    Lincoln sought freedom for slaves...........successfully.


    I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    This is a world of compensations; and he who would be no slave, must consent to have no slave.
    --April 6, 1859 Letter


    We could do this all day long. The point remains that times change, the world changed.
    Lincoln sought freedom for slaves...........successfully.
    Only to have them exported back to Africa. He ran on the Keep the West White platform in 1860.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Got any proof to your hyperbole?
    It's a commonly known fact.

    Oh, and in 1861 those states didn't want any American to have freedom.
    The South was fighting for it's freedom. BTW, the Confederate army was the first desgregated American army.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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