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Thread: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Except for the fact that it was your side that committed treason in the first place.

    It is - to many - a symbol of treason and racism. You can think what you will of the American flag. It's your right. But you have to know that many people find the Stars and Bars offensive.

    So why do you continue to show it - saying that it doesn't mean what we think it means; but then complain about "redneck" as being offensive?

    Again, why do you get to set all the terms here?
    Did the colonies commit treason against England? No, so by that same standard neither did the south. By using your own standard Old Glory is a symbol of racism, treason, and genocide. I hope you didn't forget about incidents like Wounded Knee and Trail of Tears, of which my Cherokee ancestors were forced march, all under the auspices of Old Glory.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    They also drink a lot of beer and/or hard liquor. Hard drug of choice, for those who indulge in such things, would be meth.
    Don't forget OxyContin, aka "Redneck Heroin".

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The meaning behind the usage is how I define it.
    When people use the generalized insult "Redneck" to refer to the near entirety of the South.
    They are doing so in a manner to insult and belittle those who live there based on racial/cultural/historical/elitist reasons.

    When a person waves a Confederate flag, their intent is, largely, not about enslaving Black people.

    There is a difference and it's totally about the intent behind the usage.
    What message is the user of the speech trying to reflect with their usage?
    So, when someone referred to racist shouts at the mural in Arizona as "redneckitude", you're saying that they implied it toward the entire South. When, of course, they were referring to racist individuals in Arizona.

    We can enter a rhetorical discussion here. I'm glad to. But rhetorical studies will tell you that intended message is only half of communication. How you are perceived by your audience is equally as important in communication.

    You can claim your intent all you like, but if you're not convincing your audience that the Stars and Bars aren't racist, then you're failing in your attempts to communicate. If those who would like the flag to be inclusive of Southern culture in general, then there would be Southern blacks and Southern Indians flying it proudly, too.

    It's about White regional pride. And that makes it racist.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Oh yes, the its our heritage argument. Let me tell you thats bull. I'm a southerner,and I know my family's heritage, and it's not one I'm proud of. My family weren't abolitionist fighting to free the slaves, they were slave owners. My family owned a large amount of slaves back in the day, and I wouldn't say that is something that I want to honor. I love living in Georgia, and I love Atlanta, but I'm not going to equate my love of where I live now with that flag, and use that as a symbol of the south. It was a symbol of racism, hatred, and treason. Any patriotic American would never fly the Confederate flag, because the CSA almost destroyed our country.
    Again, a very narrow perspective.

    I've studied the civil war very carefully. The primary causes and issues were economics and political power. Northeastern states dominated Congress and wanted to enact tariffs and other restrictions on trade that would destroy the south economically. Southern states responded by challenging Fedgov power, declaring provisions they considered intolerable "null and void" within their borders.

    Slavery was actually more of a side-issue, until Lincoln decided to make it a "causus belli", a propaganda tool to demonize the opposition and make the war seem like a glorious fight of good against evil, rather than its real causes: the greed of various Northern industrial and shipping concerns, and the desire of certain political figures to make the central government supreme over the states.

    Learn a little history.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    I'll ask everyone here this question.

    Do we think using terms like "kike" and other pejoratives against Jews is acceptable, when Jews are largely defined as a cultural/religious group?
    For all intents they are considered white as well.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    The term "redneck" is not limited to southerners anymore.

    I think of the term as I would a certain flavor of cracker, such as saltines. Not all saltines come form the same place or brand, and they can taste slightly different depending on the brand. But there is a general flavor similarity to saltines so that you know what you are getting when you pick up some saltines, regardless of the brand name.

    Sure, the saltine originated somewhere and has a history to it's origination and an original brand (Frank L. Sommers' St. Joseph baking company) but that's all but forgotten now as the saltine is basically just a style of cracker.

    So that's how we should look at the term "redneck". It may have a historical context, but now it just refers to a style of cracker.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So, when someone referred to racist shouts at the mural in Arizona as "redneckitude", you're saying that they implied it toward the entire South. When, of course, they were referring to racist individuals in Arizona.

    We can enter a rhetorical discussion here. I'm glad to. But rhetorical studies will tell you that intended message is only half of communication. How you are perceived by your audience is equally as important in communication.

    You can claim your intent all you like, but if you're not convincing your audience that the Stars and Bars aren't racist, then you're failing in your attempts to communicate. If those who would like the flag to be inclusive of Southern culture in general, then there would be Southern blacks and Southern Indians flying it proudly, too.

    It's about White regional pride. And that makes it racist.
    For something to be "racist" there has to be a clear message of a person thinking their race is superior to another or all other races.
    Being proud of a specific cultural heritage is not inherently racist.
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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It's a well-known fact that proportionally, far more military personnel enlist from the Southern states than any other region of the US. Look it up.

    Your second sentence is completely fallacious. The causes of the Civil War were complex and slavery was only one of many.
    If its a well know fact show me numbers.

    And the main cause of the Civil war was slavery. It was slavery that divided the country, and it was slavery that caused the Civil War. And please don't give me that states rights bullcrap, the only reason the southern states wanted states rights is so they could keep their slaves.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Did the colonies commit treason against England? No, so by that same standard neither did the south. By using your own standard Old Glory is a symbol of racism, treason, and genocide. I hope you didn't forget about incidents like Wounded Knee and Trail of Tears, of which my Cherokee ancestors were forced march, all under the auspices of Old Glory.
    To the British, you damn well bet the colonies were treasonous.

    Here's the difference: the Union won. They get to set the terms.

    And yes, the flag has represented terrible things done by this nation to minorities on many levels. But, since the Union won, it also has represented all the things that were done to correct it. The Stars and Bars only represented the losing side of a war fought to maintain a racist institution.

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    Re: Does the term redneck refer to a culture or race?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Don't forget OxyContin, aka "Redneck Heroin".
    yes. Redneck grandmas have generous prescriptions for their chronic pain, from their multiple health problems resulting from their morbid obesity. The Redneck dietary habits are generally undisciplined and nutritionally unsound.

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