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    Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

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    I say no. They may not have time to aim for a leg,hand,foot or a arm and even if they were expert sharpshooters a such wounds may not stop a suspect. When I think of this proposed bill I am reminded of a OCP commercial on a Robocop movie where they list all the officers "who sacrificed their lives for nonlethal force act.


    http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?def...mmary=Y&Text=Y

    1 Section 1. Subparagraph (ii) of paragraph (a) of subdivision 2 of
    2 section 35.15 of the penal law, as amended by chapter 511 of the laws of
    3 2004, is amended to read as follows:
    4 (ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police
    5 officer or a peace officer at the latter's direction, acting pursuant to
    6 section 35.30 OF THIS ARTICLE; PROVIDED, HOWEVER, HE OR SHE USES SUCH
    7 FORCE WITH THE INTENT TO STOP, RATHER THAN KILL, THE PERSON WHO HE OR
    8 SHE REASONABLY BELIEVES IS USING UNLAWFUL FORCE, AND USES ONLY THE MINI-
    9 MAL AMOUNT OF FORCE NECESSARY TO EFFECT SUCH STOP; or
    10 S 2. Paragraph (c) of subdivision 1 of section 35.30 of the penal law,
    11 as amended by chapter 843 of the laws of 1980, is amended to read as
    12 follows:
    13 (c) Regardless of the particular offense which is the subject of the
    14 arrest or attempted escape, the use of deadly physical force is neces-
    15 sary to defend the police officer or peace officer or another person
    16 from what the officer reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use
    17 of deadly physical force; PROVIDED, HOWEVER, HE OR SHE USES SUCH FORCE
    18 WITH THE INTENT TO STOP, RATHER THAN KILL, A PERSON FROM ESCAPING OR
    19 RESISTING ARREST, AND USES ONLY THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF FORCE NECESSARY TO
    20 EFFECT SUCH STOP.
    21 S 3. Section 125.15 of the penal law is amended to read as follows:
    22 S 125.15 Manslaughter in the second degree.
    23 A person is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree when:
    24 1. He OR SHE recklessly causes the death of another person; or



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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    no! the amount of force used should be up to the discretion of the officer
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    No. If someone is threatening the lives of others, it should be a peace officer's primary job to protect the lives of the citizenry and himself. If the suspect is disabled or gives up after being shot, certainly its not okay to put an extra round in the criminal for kicks. That being said, when someone materially threatens lives I think a person gives up their right to complain about where they get shot. I'd back a officer's discretion to use as much force as he judges necessary to stop the suspect.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    If you feel safe enough to think you can stop a threatening person by shooting to wound, then you probably aren't in enough danger to shoot at all.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    "Required" ? Clarify. Unless I'm mistaken (I'm not), "Double tap, center mass" is still policy when dealing with death and life decisions...
    Last edited by webrockk; 06-02-10 at 02:30 AM.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Terrible, terrible idea
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    "Required" ? Clarify. Unless I'm mistaken (I'm not), "Double tap, center mass" is still policy when dealing with death and life decisions...
    well if this thing gets passed, it'll be "single tap, in a non lethal place, but make sure you avoid arteries, and administer pain killers afterwards, 'cause we don't like criminal to be in any form of discomfort"
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Shooting to wound with a gun is a rather hard thing to do. Either you're going to miss, hit them in a lethal spot, or hit them in an arm or leg, and risk them still being able to attack.. So there's really no point, cops shoot to protect innocent lives, and their own. It's not like they want to kill anybody, if they shoot someone in the stomach and there down, there not going to go shoot them in the head to finish them off. So its kind of a moot point in my mind.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Yes
    No
    Maybe/other



    I say no. They may not have time to aim for a leg,hand,foot or a arm and even if they were expert sharpshooters a such wounds may not stop a suspect. When I think of this proposed bill I am reminded of a OCP commercial on a Robocop movie where they list all the officers "who sacrificed their lives for nonlethal force act.


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    1 Section 1. Subparagraph (ii) of paragraph (a) of subdivision 2 of
    2 section 35.15 of the penal law, as amended by chapter 511 of the laws of
    3 2004, is amended to read as follows:
    4 (ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police
    5 officer or a peace officer at the latter's direction, acting pursuant to
    6 section 35.30 OF THIS ARTICLE; PROVIDED, HOWEVER, HE OR SHE USES SUCH
    7 FORCE WITH THE INTENT TO STOP, RATHER THAN KILL, THE PERSON WHO HE OR
    8 SHE REASONABLY BELIEVES IS USING UNLAWFUL FORCE, AND USES ONLY THE MINI-
    9 MAL AMOUNT OF FORCE NECESSARY TO EFFECT SUCH STOP; or
    10 S 2. Paragraph (c) of subdivision 1 of section 35.30 of the penal law,
    11 as amended by chapter 843 of the laws of 1980, is amended to read as
    12 follows:
    13 (c) Regardless of the particular offense which is the subject of the
    14 arrest or attempted escape, the use of deadly physical force is neces-
    15 sary to defend the police officer or peace officer or another person
    16 from what the officer reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use
    17 of deadly physical force; PROVIDED, HOWEVER, HE OR SHE USES SUCH FORCE
    18 WITH THE INTENT TO STOP, RATHER THAN KILL, A PERSON FROM ESCAPING OR
    19 RESISTING ARREST, AND USES ONLY THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF FORCE NECESSARY TO
    20 EFFECT SUCH STOP.
    21 S 3. Section 125.15 of the penal law is amended to read as follows:
    22 S 125.15 Manslaughter in the second degree.
    23 A person is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree when:
    24 1. He OR SHE recklessly causes the death of another person; or



    An old poll I created years ago.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...tml#post246488
    A firearm is a lethal weapon. It's use inherently threatens people's lives. The mechanics of a gun design it to kill rather than wound. And the difficulty of making a wounding shot is quite difficult.

    Instead, police officers should not be trained in how to make "wounding shots" but rather trained and equipped with "less than lethal weapons." These include tasers and beanbag shotgun shells. I think these type of weapons should be developed and researched more, and should be done for the safety of the police officer and the suspects they have to use nonlethal force on.

    I think police officers should be armed with both a firearm and a less-than-lethal weapon, and the use of each is at the discretion of the officer. I'm no expert, but I think a standard operating procedure should be that an officer with a partner should use have his less-than-lethal weapon ready but his partner should have his firearm ready as well, in case the less-than-lethal weapon is ineffective.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    I replied NO, only because there wasnt a HELL NO
    suspects threatening their lives or others = a free 1st class ticket to Deadly Force Island
    Sorry I have no remorse for these people, cop killers and people that attempt such are scum
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