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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's my experience that stories about police brutality are often spun by plaintiff's attorneys.
    Good point-prosecuting attorneys who are charged with defending cops and federal LEO's usually are not nearly as free to comment upon pending cases. Now if the DA is prosecuting the cops, that means there's probably a plaintiff's attorney also seeking civil damages and a contract counsel defending the cop

    in those cases you get lots of juicy press tidbits



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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Good point-prosecuting attorneys who are charged with defending cops and federal LEO's usually are not nearly as free to comment upon pending cases. Now if the DA is prosecuting the cops, that means there's probably a plaintiff's attorney also seeking civil damages and a contract counsel defending the cop

    in those cases you get lots of juicy press tidbits
    I've seen this happen a lot. Prosecutors and police representatives are bound by conditions that plaintiffs's and defense attorneys are not. This gives these folks an advantage in trying the case in the media well before the trial ever happens.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Depends on what kind of threat you're talking about and whether there are witnesses or not.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Depends on what kind of threat you're talking about and whether there are witnesses or not.

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    He's quite obviously talking about threats against the lives of police officers and/or those they are protecting, despite the poor English usage in the title.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    The Utah case I referred to, the mentally ill person who got killed by a Tazer was harming no one. He stripped naked and was running around next to a country road. He was a hazard to himself, yes, but he was attacking nobody. I don't know the protocol for using a tazer, but it seems obvioius that a person already agitated from mental problems should not be tazed unless he is about to harm others.
    Of the only 5 cops that I know personally, one was a bit too eager to "protect" the public when a young female was there to see him perform. He ticketed my FIL when said female was actually at fault in a fender bender. The judge saw it for what it was, dismissed the case against my FIL, and told the cop to hang around for an ass chewing session.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The Utah case I referred to, the mentally ill person who got killed by a Tazer was harming no one. He stripped naked and was running around next to a country road. He was a hazard to himself, yes, but he was attacking nobody. I don't know the protocol for using a tazer, but it seems obvioius that a person already agitated from mental problems should not be tazed unless he is about to harm others.
    I can't really comment on a rehash of a case second hand that I know nothing about. Were you there on the scene, or are you relying on reports from family members and their attorneys?

    Of the only 5 cops that I know personally, one was a bit too eager to "protect" the public when a young female was there to see him perform. He ticketed my FIL when said female was actually at fault in a fender bender. The judge saw it for what it was, dismissed the case against my FIL, and told the cop to hang around for an ass chewing session.
    I support the police in general, but every now and then you get a bad one....no profession is immune.
    Your anecdotal story, while charming, has no relationship to the thread title.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Not much to add here except I wonder why we would shift the power in these life and death situations away from the cops and towards the criminals.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I can't really comment on a rehash of a case second hand that I know nothing about. Were you there on the scene, or are you relying on reports from family members and their attorneys?


    Your anecdotal story, while charming, has no relationship to the thread title.
    I will add this to it....if I showed a photo of the entire police force for that community, almost anybody would be able to pick out the lone asswipe in the group....
    We moved soon after the event with my FIL, so I never heard more about him. Hopefully he found work more suitable to his temperament....
    Concerning the death, yes, family members reported their side of the story, which matched the cops story. He had no way of knowing the man would die, it was a freakish situation. THAT cop wasn't an asswipe, but he surely could have handled THAT situation better.
    But the fact remains, the man had no weapon in his hands, and was not attacking anyone.
    And you are not expected to comment, especially since you seem to be a bit biased here. Like I said, no profession is immune....
    I am old enough to have personal knowledge or experience of a lawyer ripping off his own mother's assets, a dentist molesting female clients, another professional using his private plane to run drugs, and more... All supposedlly good people demonstrating bad judgement.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    I guess I'm piling on. What a stupid idea.

    It puts officers in the position of being second guessed and as others have said, if they feel the need to pull their weapon, then they feel they are in mortal danger and should shoot to kill.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I will add this to it....if I showed a photo of the entire police force for that community, almost anybody would be able to pick out the lone asswipe in the group....
    We moved soon after the event with my FIL, so I never heard more about him. Hopefully he found work more suitable to his temperament....
    Concerning the death, yes, family members reported their side of the story, which matched the cops story. He had no way of knowing the man would die, it was a freakish situation. THAT cop wasn't an asswipe, but he surely could have handled THAT situation better.
    But the fact remains, the man had no weapon in his hands, and was not attacking anyone.
    And you are not expected to comment, especially since you seem to be a bit biased here. Like I said, no profession is immune....
    I am old enough to have personal knowledge or experience of a lawyer ripping off his own mother's assets, a dentist molesting female clients, another professional using his private plane to run drugs, and more... All supposedlly good people demonstrating bad judgement.
    Tazer use has increased a lot in recent years, as more and more departments get them and form policy on their use, then revise that policy.

    LE administrators love Tazers. I'll tell you why.

    In my day we didn't have them. If someone declined to allow themselves to be arrested... well, we just had to wade in there and grab the guy and subdue him physically. There was never any way to tell how this was going to go, or more importantly how FAR it was going to go. The guy might decide to actively fight, or he might pull a concealed weapon... both cops and subjects got hurt quite often.

    The Tazer, in many ways, makes it so much simpler (especially from a liability and admin viewpoint!) If the guy won't cooperate, you zap him and put the cuffs on. The damage done by the tazer is a known quantity, as is its liability profile. Perps suffer less harm, officers suffer less harm.... this cuts down on admin costs and expenses for medical treatment. From a Chief's perspective, or more importantly the perspective of the politicians and bureaucrats he has to answer to, this is like a gift from heaven.

    So they use them frequently and enthusiastically. Maybe a little too enthusiastically sometimes, but it is hard to blame them considering that ON AVERAGE a lot fewer people get hurt with the Tazers.

    The profile in that case was probably something like "mentally disturbed person, large and strong-looking, who is not responding to requests to cease movement and cooperate with being detained, equals Tazer." They would likely figure that grabbing him and trying to manhandle him would be more dangerous for both the officers and the subject... in most cases.

    And the heck of it is, most of the time that is true.

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