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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    SOME cops are trigger happy, with their guns and their tazers....a recent event in Utah had a cop tazing a mentally disturbed man who was unarmed, and either off his meds or having a bad reaction to them. The man died. His family was there and between family and cop they should have been able to tackle him.
    Tazers are not used when confronted with lethal force. Tazers are used to prevent physical injury when the threat of physical violence is present.

    In a situation where I was assaulted, I tackled the suspect resulting in me and the suspect getting all skinned up from the resulting struggle on the pavement. I could have just tazed him and stayed injury free.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Tazers are not designed to be used against someone deploying deadly force against an officer.

    You have a tazer and your opponent has a gun you will most likely die

    If a suspect challenges a cop with a knife or a club, the proper response is to draw a pistol

    Two reasons, non lethal means-mace, tazer, etc are notoriously unreliable stoppers

    Secondly, drawing a nightstick on a guy with a knife is a challenge. However, if you draw a gun you have given him an honorable option of backing down
    Even the toughest biker scum are not going to call a fellow mope a coward for dropping a knife when someone is pointing a 40 caliber at his head.

    Now if he backs down to a PR-24 or a tazer that is seriously dent in the cred
    So tazers and the like are for subduing unarmed (except with feet and fists) persons only?

    Makes sense.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tazers are not designed to be used against someone deploying deadly force against an officer.

    you have a tazer and your opponent has a gun you will most likely die

    if a suspect challenges a cop with a knife or a club, the proper response is to draw a pistol

    two reasons, non lethal means-mace, tazer, etc are notoriously unreliable stoppers

    secondly, drawing a nightstick on a guy with a knife is a challenge. however, if you draw a gun you have given him an honorable option of backing down
    even the toughest biker scum are not going to call a fellow mope a coward for dropping a knife when someone is pointing a 40 caliber at his head.

    now if he backs down to a PR-24 or a tazer that is seriously dent in the cred
    When I went through the academy we were taught to always one up for your own safety. If they have no weapon you use non lethal only. Tazers were preferred over batons in almost every case. If they had any kind of mle weapon or were committing a forcible felony you pulled your weapon. If you were going into an unknown situation like a building search or a night traffic stop you have your weapon at ready just in case.

    Simple rules that can keep an officer alive.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    So tazers and the like are for subduing unarmed (except with feet and fists) persons only?

    Makes sense.
    That is what I have been told

    I am not a cop but I spent several years defending in court cops charged with "excessive force"

    I also was guest "expert" at Ayoob's Lethal Force Institute" (he's a well known expert on self defense and has been an expert witness in some high profile cases including that case in Miami where a Hispanic cop shot a Black youth that caused riots) and I believe he states the same thing. Tazers are used on suspects who appear to be beligerent and looking to fight cops-but are not packing heat or other seriously lethal stuff (like a sword for example)

    in some cases I could see a tazer being appropriate for someone with say a black jack or a knife-assuming your partner is holding a shotgun on the mope



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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    So tazers and the like are for subduing unarmed (except with feet and fists) persons only?

    Makes sense.
    Yes. It is non lethal force. If you have noticed most officers don't even carry batons or the PR 24 anymore. Some do carry collapsible batons as you never know.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes. It is non lethal force. If you have noticed most officers don't even carry batons or the PR 24 anymore. Some do carry collapsible batons as you never know.
    true. but PR 24's have lots of other uses ( I had a case involving a cop thrashing a mope pretty hard with one so I got one and learned how to use it during the defense of the case). they are good for climbing over city walls and fences. They are much better for CQC than a tazer. They can be used to steady a longer range pistol shot. You can use them to knock out the window of a car which contains a trapped victim.

    BTW I love those ASP expandable batons-keep one in the console of my car.



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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    SOME cops are trigger happy, with their guns and their tazers....a recent event in Utah had a cop tazing a mentally disturbed man who was unarmed, and either off his meds or having a bad reaction to them. The man died. His family was there and between family and cop they should have been able to tackle him.
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    Please don't believe everything you read in the newspapers. A friend of mine, Amy, who worked for SLCPD, was involved in a lethal use of force with a mentally ill guy. The subject was well over six feet, 250 pounds, and whackadoo out of his mind on drugs. It was pitch black, pouring rain, and the guy was menacing Amy and her partner with a larger club made from a tree branch. Her partner slipped in the mud and went down, and the guy charged Amy. She shot him in the head (as she was trained to do). The family of the subject claimed that he was really non-violent and they should have been able to subdue the guy without lethal force.

    That's a pretty easy claim to make when you're armchair quarterbacking and in no risk of harm (not to mention suing the department for illegal use of force in hopes of a big cash payoff). But when you're actually THERE, faced with using force, it happens so fast that training kicks in and the officers involved do the best they can, given the circumstances.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    IF only the newspapers could be forced to print the truth, the whole truth and only the truth.
    Now its based on sensationalism, simply to interest the people into reading their rags.
    And "Liberal" or Conservative have nothing to do with this problem.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    IF only the newspapers could be forced to print the truth, the whole truth and only the truth.
    Now its based on sensationalism, simply to interest the people into reading their rags.
    And "Liberal" or Conservative have nothing to do with this problem.
    It's my experience that stories about police brutality are often spun by plaintiff's attorneys.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    IF only the newspapers could be forced to print the truth, the whole truth and only the truth.
    Now its based on sensationalism, simply to interest the people into reading their rags.
    And "Liberal" or Conservative have nothing to do with this problem.
    Yeah, if so, Obama never would have been elected president



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