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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    This is dumb, dumb, dumb. Even tho some situations look like shooting to wound could have been used, trying to legislate this will cause police and victims to die. There is no looking back from dead.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    The police should have the option to shoot to kill if they perceive a credible threat.

    First of all, shooting to wound takes more aiming time which is dangerous
    Second, it may not wound the other person sufficiently for them to no longer be a danger.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    I think police should be able to kill in self defense, but non lethal force should always be the priority. However, if the guy is shooting at you and non lethal force isn't an option, I'm all for cops shooting to kill.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Absolutely positively not.

    If a suspect is threatening the lives of the officer, his fellow officers, or the citizenry they're supposed to be protecting then I have no issue with the law enforcement officer (or military officer honestly) using lethal force if they feel its needed.

    If they believe lethal force is needed but try for less than lethal force by trying to "Wound" them they are essentially putting their life, the lives of their fellow offiers, and the citizens around. Aiming to "wound" requires more thinking then instinct (yay for muscle memory), is a smaller target that is moving far more than center mass, and is no garauntee that it will actually actively stop the threat.

    Its idiotic.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Absolutely not. If you're going to shoot at all, you shoot to kill. Police are trained to aim for the main body mass and put down the target.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Absolutely not. In the first place , a wounded suspect would still be capable of inflicting life threatening damage to the officer or others.
    Second place, few people are that accurate in a life threatening situation. Go for the kill every time!

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Of course not. The ONLY reason to fire a weapon is imminent threat to life. The answer at that point is shoot to end the threat. center mass...twice to the chest, one to the head. Observe. Fire again if needed.

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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    no! the amount of force used should be up to the discretion of the officer
    Not quite. If someone is acting in a way that threatens the life of the officer, I have no quarrels with him defending himself and using deadly force. However the amount of force used by police officers in general should not be up to the discretion of the officer. Because they can very easily then abuse said discretion. The actions of the officers should always be reviewed to ensure that they reacted reasonably and did not use excessive force. Such as if a suspect is handcuffed and on the ground...probably shouldn't beat him with nightsticks and boots. But if a guy pulls a gun and a cop shoots him, then that was, IMO, reasonable response by the officer.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not quite. If someone is acting in a way that threatens the life of the officer, I have no quarrels with him defending himself and using deadly force. However the amount of force used by police officers in general should not be up to the discretion of the officer. Because they can very easily then abuse said discretion. The actions of the officers should always be reviewed to ensure that they reacted reasonably and did not use excessive force. Such as if a suspect is handcuffed and on the ground...probably shouldn't beat him with nightsticks and boots. But if a guy pulls a gun and a cop shoots him, then that was, IMO, reasonable response by the officer.
    well, thats what i meant, in a situation when the officers life is threatened, it up to their discretion, i should've been more specific
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    A firearm is a lethal weapon. It's use inherently threatens people's lives. The mechanics of a gun design it to kill rather than wound. And the difficulty of making a wounding shot is quite difficult.

    Instead, police officers should not be trained in how to make "wounding shots" but rather trained and equipped with "less than lethal weapons." These include tasers and beanbag shotgun shells. I think these type of weapons should be developed and researched more, and should be done for the safety of the police officer and the suspects they have to use nonlethal force on.

    I think police officers should be armed with both a firearm and a less-than-lethal weapon, and the use of each is at the discretion of the officer. I'm no expert, but I think a standard operating procedure should be that an officer with a partner should use have his less-than-lethal weapon ready but his partner should have his firearm ready as well, in case the less-than-lethal weapon is ineffective.

    That's actually more-or-less a good description of how most departments do things these days. We didn't have Tasers back in my day, but almost all the young cops I see these days have both a Taser and a sidearm. The exception to having one cop with his Taser out and one ready to use his sidearm would be a criminal who was armed with a firearm: you can't play with those situations.

    "Shooting to wound", along with "why did they shoot him five times?" are questions I hear mainly from people who have little or no knowlege of firearms or lethal-force situations. Handguns are weapons with inherently limited accuracy and power; aiming anywhere but center of mass is a good way to miss for most shooters. Also, one or two shots center-of-mass (COM) may not result in an instant "STOP" (cessation of hostile activity or flight) in many cases, necessitating more shots fired... this problem would be far more exacerbated by any attempts to "shoot to wound".

    It is also a generally held legal principle in the US that if you "shot to wound" then the situation wasn't serious enough to shoot at all. I do find it a bit hypocritical that we hold that legal principle while at the same time claiming that "intent to STOP" vs "intent to kill" has something to do with whether it was a lawful good-shoot or not, especially since it is widely held that to shoot at all is considered "lethal force" regardless of intent.

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