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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Was he engaged in a traffic stop or not? You stated that he had a car pulled over and was writing a speeding ticket.



    Knowing police officers personally is different from understanding how cops are trained to handle a scene.



    If you blunder into the middle of a car stop and expect the officer to stop what he is doing and devote his full attention to you, when this flies in the face of all of his training and the policies of his agency, don't expect him to blow you kisses and ask for a group hug. That's ridiculously stupid behavior.
    Again, please read more carefully. There are THREE situations I am describing...one in town with an asswipe with an attitude who was trying to impress a potential date, and the other where someone got killed for being "non-compliant". In the second case, the cop is not being labeled an asswipe, just someone who could have handled that situation better. ANd the third was the beligerent cop who could have just asked what I wanted, but he was so out of control that he wouldn't let me speak at first. THERE ARE SOME who need to find less stressful employment, and those are the ones who will probablly screw up big time some day.

    If you aren't going to read my posts completely, why do you bother to respond to them?
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post


    Edited to add: On the tazer issue, if he had had a tazer instead of a gun and had actually shot me with it, it would have been ****ing hilarious. Painful, but hilarious.
    He would have been incredibly wrong to do so as well.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Wow, second time. Will a third time get me tazed? You seem to have an attitude problem, certainly a bias. If you are saying that cops are never wrong, then you are wrong. I have seen videos of cops using tear gas directly into the eyes of protestors, not violent criminals, but protestors. That action indicates an asswipe is in charge of the cops at that scene, that being whoever ordered it done. I have seen videos of cops pulling other cops off a perp, a handcuffed, on the ground perp, one that just wrecked his car after leading the cops on a chase. Yes, he endangered others, but the danger is over, the perp is on the ground, restrained, and the cop starts kicking him.
    Cops who can't control their anger should find another line of work.
    Im not saying that cops are never wrong. I am saying I don't listen to media stories and family who weren't there stories about what happened and then crucify the police involved in a situation.

    Working in policing I have seen the inside of what the REAL story is, and then what gets published to the public.

    As far as the guy beating the handcuffed subject after a vehicle chase, foot chase, physical confrontation. The guy is wrong. I can understand though, that he is a human being, and I have heard many people make statements of wanting to beat people right here on this Debate Politics for much less than that. Apparently the public (you) think police are robots or something. Althought we do exercise great restraint, sometimes there are people who let their emotions get the best of them, I don't believe being human is a reason to get fired.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I don't believe being human is a reason to get fired.
    I do if the position being fired from is an office which wields the power and soveriegnty of the People and the "being human" part is abuse of said power and improper actions against the rights and liberties of the People while wielding their power and authority.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Tucker, you MUST have had a weapon on you, what was it, roller or brush?

    Again in southern Utah, middle of nowhere, I stopped a few years back to warn an officer about a dangerous situation about a mile back, a stalled car left ON THE ROAD. He was in his car writing a ticket for a speeder, and when he saw me approaching on foot he got very beligerent and ordered me to stand back until he was done with the speeder. That was before I even started talking. I tried to say something, but all he could do was yell at me, he was in no mood for listening. He was clearly already agitated so I said forget it and started walking back to my car. He then reconsidered and asked if I had an emergency to report. Well duh.....
    I told him about the stalled car left on the road and a lady walking back to town. It would be a long walk for her. I was just at the point of turning around when I saw the cop car so I figured he would want to know.

    I suppose if I had continued approaching him, I would have met Mr. Tazer. Give a guy a toy and he WILL play with it. And give SOME guys a bit of authority and it will go to his head. Again, SOME cops should find other ways to make a living.
    Im having a laughable time trying to figure out how you didn't realize what you were doing.

    You don't approach an officer on a traffic stop. Period. In this day of cell phones, all it takes is some thug gang banger or just a crazy group of people to call a friend in the area who makes it out there and shoots up the cop while he is doing his business. It HAS happened and WILL continue to happen. You don't sneak up on a cop on a stop and expect him to be all cordial about it.

    And, I suppose if you had continued approaching him while he ordered you not to, you were showing clear signs that you didn't give a **** and possibly meant to do him harm, because normal people don't just ignore the police like that. So I would have rolled on the floor laughing while I watched the video of you getting tazed on youtube.

    If you want to report a vehicle disabled and causing a traffic hazard. Call 911.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im not saying that cops are never wrong. I am saying I don't listen to media stories and family who weren't there stories about what happened and then crucify the police involved in a situation.

    Working in policing I have seen the inside of what the REAL story is, and then what gets published to the public.

    As far as the guy beating the handcuffed subject after a vehicle chase, foot chase, physical confrontation. The guy is wrong. I can understand though, that he is a human being, and I have heard many people make statements of wanting to beat people right here on this Debate Politics for much less than that. Apparently the public (you) think police are robots or something. Althought we do exercise great restraint, sometimes there are people who let their emotions get the best of them, I don't believe being human is a reason to get fired.
    How about a teacher who molests only one child? What if the child is a precocuous 16 year old who initiated the affair? What happens there?
    The Teacher goes to prison.....unless it is a female teacher and male "child". That happened in AZ a few years back. Back to back cases, the male goes to prison, the female gets probation.
    We hold public servants (I hate that term, but that is what the public likes to use) to a high standard. If being human means betraying the public trust, then again, and I can't say this enough, find some kind of employment that you can handle.
    I have already said that I agree that most cops are good people, but if you live long enough, you too will find that no profession is immune when it comes to people who should quit and move on, for their own good.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I do if the position being fired from is an office which wields the power and soveriegnty of the People and the "being human" part is abuse of said power and improper actions against the rights and liberties of the People while wielding their power and authority.
    Yeah, if it becomes a regular problem from the same officer or group of officers then sure.

    One highly emotional driven incident isn't worth getting fired over.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    One highly emotional driven incident isn't worth getting fired over.
    It is if the position being fired from is an office which wields the power and soveriegnty of the People and the "being human" part is abuse of said power and improper actions against the rights and liberties of the People while wielding their power and authority.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    WOW, just WOW. Are YOU seriously going to put your words in my mouth? Edit my posts, maybe? Where did I imply a LOT OF COPS are thugs? Or ANY cop is a thug, a thug being a criminal.
    How would I have handled it? He wasn't that far from his town, he could have called for an ambulance and backup to help subdue a deranged person.
    Yes, because getting injured by insane maniacs when they do not carry tools for self defense is a part of a paramedics job.
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    Re: Should police be required to shoot to wound suspects who threatening their lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Yeah, if it becomes a regular problem from the same officer or group of officers then sure.

    One highly emotional driven incident isn't worth getting fired over.
    depends on the outcome....an officer injuring perp is one thing, a seriously maimed or killed perp, that is another....
    Sucks, but that is how it goes. Anyone can be a great guy or gal, and make just ONE mistake, and pay for it the rest of his life. No amount of good evaluations and/or awards will allow for that one really stupid mistake.
    Tain't fair, but it is what it is....
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