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Thread: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

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    Re: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

    The question, which essentially holds the answer for your question, is this.

    What is the purpose of opening up additional enrollment specifically for minorities?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Too bad the hypothetical has nothing to do with "discriminating for one group", as white students are being admitted--in fact more whites will be admitted overall.

    Too bad the hypothetical has nothing to do with legislation, or affirmative discrimination (I guess you mean action)...

    You want to address the hypothetical or just make up your own questions and then answer them?
    Since you didn't want to address the hypothetical, why don't you do that instead of making your first post an attack post?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The question, which essentially holds the answer for your question, is this.

    What is the purpose of opening up additional enrollment specifically for minorities?
    For the sake of diversity!
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    For the sake of diversity!
    Is this worth discriminating against a group of students to obtain, while giving another group of students an advantage not based upon merit?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

    Bottom line folks: The philosophy of many Universities is that diversity benefits the entire student body as a mix of people from different cultural backgrounds and ethnicities enhances the learning environment.

    Bigots and xenophobes will disagree.

    Bottom line #2 folks: Upper white middle class kids have an advantage over urban kids when it come to gpa and SAT. Universities can certainly take into consideration that a certain student didn't have access to SAT prep classes or may have had to work a part-time job. GPA and Test scores set a baseline for acceptance. The University certainly has a right to decide what mix will lift the cultural/emotional intelligence of the entire class.

    My theory on SAT Prep classes is that they are counter-productive. They teach people of average natural intelligence how to become better test takers. They teach kids test tricks and memorization -- not creative thinking or in-depth problem solving. The day will come when college admissions will be partially based on DNA -- your actual potential to learn and contribute -- not a subjective test score.

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    Re: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    For the sake of diversity!
    What kind of diversity do you mean, my friend? Superficial diversity? Or the kind where not everyone in the room is a racial minority, votes Democrat, thinks Karl Marx was a genius, and writes editorials for the New York Times?
    Last edited by Black_Zawisza; 06-01-10 at 09:44 PM.

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    Re: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Bottom line folks: The philosophy of many Universities is that diversity benefits the entire student body as a mix of people from different cultural backgrounds and ethnicities enhances the learning environment.
    I understand this. But I don't believe it is as important as providing education to those who have proven themselves to have a higher chance of sucess. That is, if you are a college that is selective based upon Merit.


    Bigots and xenophobes will disagree.
    Ahh the mantra of the race baiter.


    Bottom line #2 folks: Upper white middle class kids have an advantage over urban kids when it come to gpa and SAT.
    Upper black/hispanic middle class kids have an advantage over urban kids when it comes to gpa and SAT.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Is this worth discriminating against a group of students to obtain, while giving another group of students an advantage not based upon merit?
    Simply put, no.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    What kind of diversity do you mean, my friend? Superficial diversity? Or the kind where not everyone in the room is a racial minority, votes Democrat, thinks Karl Marx was a genius, and writes editorials for the New York Times?
    Feel good liberal waist of time diversity. Is their any other kind?
    Last edited by Black Dog; 06-01-10 at 10:15 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Hypothetical: Additional Enrollemnt for Minorities in Schools

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Too bad the hypothetical has nothing to do with "discriminating for one group", as white students are being admitted--in fact more whites will be admitted overall.

    Too bad the hypothetical has nothing to do with legislation, or affirmative discrimination (I guess you mean action)...

    You want to address the hypothetical or just make up your own questions and then answer them?
    I do not exclusively mean affirmative action, although that is one form of affirmative discrimination (reverse discrimination). When debating a hypothetical situation, it can often be addressed by referring to a generalized proposition, in this case affirmative racial discrimination.

    Admitting 100 minority students while ignoring white students is not legitimate discrimination. In this case, whites are being negatively discriminated against and minorities receive favorable discrimination. Those 100 students should be admitted on legitimate merit; if they are all white kids (or vice versa) so be it.

    I did not make my own question up. The question was: "Would white students and potential white students have a legitimate grievance that this is unfair to them?" The answer is (as stated previously): "By discriminating for one group of people, we inherently discriminate against the other." I thought that by pointing out the hypocrisy of affirmative discrimination in this situation its obvious that I think the white students have a legitimate grievance.

    I said "Legislatively, affirmative discrimination is no better than negative discrimination," as a general statement that no rule can create equality. Primarily due to the fact, that in order to select a group and outline how to protect them we segregate them, for better or worse. That isn't to say that legitimate discrimination isn't useful, such as the disabled or children, but that is beyond the scope of this thread.

    Positive racial discrimination perpetuates racial discrimination.
    Respectfully, HTTP
    Last edited by HeresToThePoint; 06-01-10 at 11:24 PM.

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