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    Re: Can a supreme court ruling be unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Unconstitutional?
    Of course, but in whose opinion?
    Certainly NOT in the eyes of our SCOTUS.
    Thus, neither yes nor no is my vote.
    The constitutionality of something isn't always an opinion.

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    Re: Can a supreme court ruling be unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    The constitutionality of something isn't always an opinion.
    Actually, yes, yes it is.

    Even if 99.999% of people are of the opinion that a portion of it is one way, that .001% with a differing opinion makes both sides an opinion.
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    Re: Can a supreme court ruling be unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually, yes, yes it is.

    Even if 99.999% of people are of the opinion that a portion of it is one way, that .001% with a differing opinion makes both sides an opinion.
    No it isn't. If their is a law that states people aren't allowed to say anything negative towards the government no matter the point in time, it is unconstitutional. That is a fact, not an opinion, learn the difference.

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    Re: Can a supreme court ruling be unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    No it isn't. If there is a law that states people aren't allowed to say anything negative towards the government no matter the point in time, it is unconstitutional. That is a fact, not an opinion, learn the difference.
    Well, I agree that it should be a fact…But it isn't everywhere in the world.

    And, even here in the USA, I bet there is at least one person who thinks a law of that nature would be constitutional.

    Like I said, the vast majority of people here in the USA are of the opinion that a law restricting free speech if it is negative towards government is definitely unconstitutional.

    But it’s still an opinion.

    If enough persons in government were of the opinion that the opposite were true, they could potentially change the law.

    That said, in the current environment they would probably have a vast amount of civil unrest (read: revolution) on their hands, but who is to say what the future holds?
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    Re: Can a supreme court ruling be unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Well, I agree that it should be a fact…But it isn't everywhere in the world.

    And, even here in the USA, I bet there is at least one person who thinks a law of that nature would be constitutional.

    Like I said, the vast majority of people here in the USA are of the opinion that a law restricting free speech if it is negative towards government is definitely unconstitutional.

    But it’s still an opinion.

    If enough persons in government were of the opinion that the opposite were true, they could potentially change the law.

    That said, in the current environment they would probably have a vast amount of civil unrest (read: revolution) on their hands, but who is to say what the future holds?
    And that person is wrong, just because someone wrongly thinks something, that doesn't mean it's their opinion, it means they are wrong.

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    Re: Can a supreme court ruling be unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    No it isn't. If their is a law that states people aren't allowed to say anything negative towards the government no matter the point in time, it is unconstitutional. That is a fact, not an opinion, learn the difference.
    You are completely wrong. Unless an amendment was made to the Constitution, the law would be just a law. Hence it could be unconstitutional if a court challenge were brought.

    A law not in the Constitution is not automatically Constitutional or not just because it is a law.

    PS your statement about opinion is completely and utterly wrong.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Can a supreme court ruling be unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are completely wrong. Unless an amendment was made to the Constitution, the law would be just a law. Hence it could be unconstitutional if a court challenge were brought.

    A law not in the Constitution is not automatically Constitutional or not just because it is a law.

    PS your statement about opinion is completely and utterly wrong.
    Then prove it, oh yeah, you can't.

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    Re: Can a supreme court ruling be unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    And that person is wrong, just because someone wrongly thinks something, that doesn't mean it's their opinion, it means they are wrong.
    You may not be aware of this, but it impossible for an opinion to be wrong.

    Impossible.

    An opinion is simply that - an opinion. It cannot be right, wrong, correct or incorrect. It can only be an opinion.

    Their opinion may, in your opinion, be wrong - but that, also, is an opinion.
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    Re: Can a supreme court ruling be unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You may not be aware of this, but it impossible for an opinion to be wrong.
    Impossible.

    An opinion is simply that - an opinion. It cannot be right, wrong, correct or incorrect. It can only be an opinion.

    Their opinion may, in your opinion, be wrong - but that, also, is an opinion.
    I never said that, try again. I simply said not all things are a matter of opinion. For example, is 2+2=4 an opinion or fact? Learn to read.

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    Re: Can a supreme court ruling be unconstitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually, yes, yes it is.

    Even if 99.999% of people are of the opinion that a portion of it is one way, that .001% with a differing opinion makes both sides an opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Then prove it, oh yeah, you can't.
    The Mark already did this.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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