regulate for safety
level the playing field
penalize unwanted industry
reasonable costs so businesses can thrive
moderate to severe regulations to control industry
help nationalize industry by placing undue burdens on businesses
The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).
And consider, the drop-out rate is skyrocketed under the current system, not my system. But why is that so?
It is because people are having a tougher time affording college. They are unable to pay for it or find loans for it, and so they must enter the work force without a college education and thus are denied the opportunity to apply for better jobs.
So it is not government-provided education that is causing these drop-out rates but rather the lack of money or credit to continue to pay for post-secondary education.
So what is likely to happen to those who are unable to attain a post-secondary education because of the high costs involved? One of two things.
The first is that they get an entry-level job and never leave that level. While they may have a high degree of experience, they have little to no formal training or education in their field. That makes it less likely for them to get a job despite having the skills for that job - they lack a certified piece of paper saying they are qualified, which is a barrier to employment.
The second thing is that they go into criminal enterprises. Search on Google for news reports about the increase in prostitution in our country due to the Great Recession we're currently in. People are becoming prostitutes in order to earn an income. The reason why is because currently the job market is so bad that they must resort to prostitution because there's a demand for it.
Now imagine that a person is perpetually denied access to a job market because they lack a post-secondary education to possess a qualified occupational or academic training. What do they do to earn income? They resort to criminal enterprises, such as prostitution, in order to earn an income. Only they don't possess any skills to get out of prostitution.
This shows why increasing access to education helps to reduce the crime rate. In order to understand this, you have to look at crime in an economic light and view it as an illegal business.
Criminals whose crimes earn money (such as drug crimes, prostitution, gambling, burglary, theft, contract killing) don't commit crimes because "they are just criminal" or because "they are just evil;" rather, they commit those crimes because one doesn't need any training in those criminal ventures. You don't need too much training in order to get clients as a prostitute. You don't need too much training to hook people on addictive drugs and get them to pay for that product. That is one reason why criminals start to commit crimes - there are low barriers to entry and they require few skills to start.
But who becomes such criminals? They are people who are 1) young, 2) minorities, 3) from impoverished areas. Why do people in these demographics start to commit crimes?
The young do it because they have trouble competing in job markets because their youth makes them inherently unskilled compared to others. They simply haven't had the time to learn skills that allows them opportunity in job markets. Now, this is supposed to offset by post-secondary education that they can access with student loans and scholarships - however, for those who cannot gain access to student loans or scholarships, many become criminals just to earn an income.
Minorities do it for a variety of reasons, most of them relating to ethnic disparity. In the past, minorities were discriminated against, making it difficult for them to enter the job market. Thus, they resort to crime to earn an income. However, there is also the cost of imprisonment factored into that, which is a burden to them and their dependents. And because their initial poverty is a barrier to opportunity, as is their criminal record, they must either continue criminal ventures to earn a viable income or resort to lower paying entry-level jobs. Because of this, they cannot afford to send their children to college and don't have the skills themselves to train their children on marketable job skills. That means that their children are taught to be criminals as well simply because it is the only job opportunity available to them. So they become career criminals just so they can earn a living. And the cycle continues, until it is broken by such efforts as affirmative action, which allows minorities to enter job markets that were denied to them before and allows them access to legitimate professional skills so they no longer have to be criminals in order to earn an income.
Impoverished areas are much the same as above. People who are from impoverished areas usually immediately enter the work force in order to earn income. This keeps many of them in entry-level positions instead of allowing them opportunity to occupations where they can demand higher income. This continues the cycle of poverty, which they can break easier by going on criminal business ventures to earn a greater income.
So increasing access to post-secondary education and occupational skills will help reduce crime rates because more of the population will have easier access to marketable skills. Fewer people will be required to resort to criminal enterprises in order to earn an income, and so will reduce the crime rate overall.
Another reason why I'd like tax-paid post-secondary education for all Americans is because of the disparity of income for graduates. Basically, all students pay the same for all credits in a college. However, graduates don't earn the same amount of income when they enter the job market. So while a 4-year degree for engineering costs the same as a 4-year English degree, an engineer earns more money than an English major does.
This is important when it comes to paying off student loans. Equal costs for degrees that allows people to earn unequal incomes mean that some types of professional accrue more debt than other types of professionals. Those who earn less find it a tougher time to pay off those loans. This is a further barrier to economic prosperity.
But allowing tax-paid post-secondary education will help offset that. I would also try to make the costs of education for a profession be relative to the income that such a professional could earn. That would decrease the disparity to paying back student loans between different professional areas and, should a tax-paid post-secondary education system arise, help reduce costs to taxpayers. (And I must admit I got this idea from Jeb Bush and Eric Cantor, who are both conservatives.)
And, effectively, everyone needs a post-secondary education nowadays. Plumbers need not only job skills for plumbing but also education on environmental impacts of sewage and waste. Auto mechanics need more education on computer skills as cars and trucks become more computerized in order to increase the time of diagnosing problems with the automobile. Secretaries require more computer skills for a variety of programs and formats used to store and present information. Professional trades that were historically easy to enter into have become less so because of the increase in the need for formal education related to that professional field.
I am not naive enough to say that this system will end poverty in our country. However, I think it will reduce it. I also think it becomes more and more necessary as more and more professions rely more and more on automation and computerization.
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Also, a person can't really help the high school education they receive as they have no say in it. I mean I came from a rural area, and so there was very little emphasis put on the sciences (physics, chemistry) or mathematics, and more emphasis put on more basic things. Also, high school curriculums can be exceedingly misleading. Take, for example, the fight in Texas with regards to conservative leaning social studies, or in Kentucky regarding the inclusion of Intelligent Design. Basically, our current system for high school education doesn't adequately prepare students for college. Ask any college educator - they'll tell you. So when we don't adequately prepare high schoolers for college, is it any wonder that they don't do well in college?
People need basic occupational training as well, which high school just doesn't provide. And of course they don't have any applicable skills - they have to pay someone to teach them those applicable skills, but can't because they're poor. Which means that for them to learn an applicable skill, they have to rely on on-the-job training. Which employers don't want to do because it increases their operating costs because their goal is to make a profit for their business, not provide applicable skills for people. So poor unskilled people lose out on hiring opportunities as employers favor skilled people they don't have to pay to train. Leaving the poor impoverished and unskilled. Which continues the vicious cycle.
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You can make a fine living without a college degree. You can join the military, or you can succeed as a plumber, electrician, carpenter, construction, cook, small business owner, secretary, etc. You do not need a college degree for these endeavors.
The problem with drop-outs is not because people are having a tougher time affording college! That really made me laugh. Kids are barely finishing high school with the preparation for college. Many can't read. Many poor kids drop out of high school years before they are college age. It has nothing to do with college being unaffordable to them. They can't or won't do the work in high school! The get enticed by the easy money of crime. For whatever the reason, they are not candidates for college.
The fact that you want to expand the budget to include college education, when we are in the midst of severe budget problems getting worse, is just perfect for a tax and spend liberal. I will fight you tooth and nail over this stupid proposal. Typical liberal nonsense.
Besides, stuff still happens even with an FDA. We get E. Coli scares and all kinds of things. We don't need them. Any company that wanted to keep a good reputation would make sure themselves to keep food safe.
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Regulation should be VERY limited.
In nearly every case, government regulations go FAR beyond what is reasonable and thus destroy our economic base.
Most busineses should not be regulated at all. Even safety, which a lot of people are voting for, can be self-regulated. Businesses that are unsafe or produce unsafe products, lose their clienteles, and thus, their profits.
About the only things that should be regulated are monopolies and quasi-monopolies, like public utilities. But even here, the regulations should NOT be excessive.
I attended classes, did assignments, read books, studied, and worked my ass off for good grades. And that is how I got into college... good grades. Why would a college want to waste tax payer's money by allowing someone with straight Cs, Ds and Fs to get into their college? They clearly didn't care about their grades in high school... one can assume the same behavior would continue in college. Some could say that tax payers money is already being wasted on these failing students by continuing to have them stay in high school... but I think all kids should have access to a basic education... it's up to them to take advantage of that opportunity and continue their education after high school.
And EVERY job has some training. But you can't go into a job without ANY applicable skills and expect to get the job over someone who knows more than you. If you want to become an electrician, learn about electricity. You can't expect the employer will hold your hand every step of the way, but they will show you how to safely handle working with electricity and show you the proper ways of setting things up and how to use the tools they use. Same goes for any other job that doesn't require a college degree.
True, every now and then, something will be missed by the regulators. That doesn't mean that the regulations aren't necessary.Originally Posted by phattonez
The fact that there are examples of companies NOT doing this should be all the evidence you need that that isn't always true.Originally Posted by phattonez
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After all, in the real world we don't demand that people perform an action for free. Neither should we expect the same from our children. So if we want our kids and teenagers to learn, we should pay them for their labor in that process. With such an incentive, I think kids and teens would apply themselves better to an education. They would also better learn how to apply that education to making an income for themselves. So instead of throwing all this money at everything but the students like we've been doing for the past 70 years, lets throw some money directly at the students to get them interested in learning.
And I may try to pass a progressive tax on businesses to pay for it. After all, my proposal would increase the quality of our workforce that our businesses has access to. Smaller businesses would pay less than larger businesses. And this would be of benefit to businesses since the pool of quality workers would be expanded. The better my workers are, the better the services I can provide. The better the employees of the businesses whose goods and services I consume, the better services I can receive. It's a win all around.
And I think this is better than your proposals, which is have kids go up to high school, get deep into debt with loans to try to pay off their education, and, along with the debt they get into with a mortgage, car payment, car insurance, and health insurance, clear enough to also pay for their utilities, gas, and food at the end of the week. I mean the sole reason why we are in the great recession we're in is because people have been living on credit. Student loans and loans for education and job training is a part of that. My plan would help make the populace be better educated and better trained and give them access to opportunities they wouldn't have had otherwise.