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Gays in the Military

Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.


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Firstly, I don't understand your connexion between gays openly serving in the military and the destruction of the United States Armed Forces entirely -- I hope you'd made a typographical error. If not, and you believe that gays openly serving in the military will destroy the military as we know it, then you're too far gone.

As well, to answer your questions, yes. Gays can openly serve in all of the major, and most of the minor nations on Earth. The simple fact is that, for whatever reason, be it extremist religious tendencies in the States, or just plain conservative resistance to change, the States seem to be one of the few nation that cares one way or the other whether a person is gay or not.

Among the other big-name nations that don't allow gays to openly serve? Iran, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia... Some fine bedmates there, mate.


How about this for a question . Who do you consider a Greater World threat. Those Nations you listed or the United States with it's Religous subdivisions.??? I know this question is not exactly in keeping with this thread , but I get the impression that to You Christianity seems to be an issue.
 
How about this for a question . Who do you consider a Greater World threat. Those Nations you listed or the United States with it's Religous subdivisions.??? I know this question is not exactly in keeping with this thread , but I get the impression that to You Christianity seems to be an issue.

Well, no, not really -- Christianity is fine. Extremism, whether from Christians, Muslims, Neo-Nazis, ultranationalists, NazBolsheviks, or anyone else, is the issue.

Furthermore, I could make the argument that if the United States continue to go down the path of ultranationalism and extremist Christian ideology, then the US could be, and perhaps is, a greater threat to world stability than a smaller nation like Lebanon subscribing to such theories.
 
Extremist Christians - Could you name a few (???)
 
Extremist Christians - Could you name a few (???)

Absolutely -- anyone from the reverend threatening to burn the Koran in Florida, to the Evangelical ministers preaching the downfall of Islam, to the Texan General who a while ago released a press statement saying "Our God is the greatest God, our God is stronger than their God, and our God will lead us to victory against their God in the Middle-East" to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and the rest of the NeoCon and Tea Partying nutjobs.
 
You consider the Tea Party people as threats to Democracy and other Religions ?????
 
You consider the Tea Party people as threats to Democracy and other Religions ?????

While the Tea-Party movement hasn't gotten to the point of having military backing, if it ever does, it will be even more dangerous to liberty and the world at large than anything an extremist Lebanese group could contact.

In short, absolutely.
 
Absolutely -- anyone from the reverend threatening to burn the Koran in Florida, to the Evangelical ministers preaching the downfall of Islam, to the Texan General who a while ago released a press statement saying "Our God is the greatest God, our God is stronger than their God, and our God will lead us to victory against their God in the Middle-East" to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and the rest of the NeoCon and Tea Partying nutjobs.
I don't think you're recognizing the accomplishments of atheists in the anti-Islam movement. I myself have burned a Qur'an in protest, and preached my own downfall to Islam.

Obviously, I'm not advocating any sort of holy war, but it's bad enough that I have to put up with one bat**** crazy religion in this country; I don't need another. Especially not Islam.

Strange bedfellows, I know, but still.
 
Klu Klux Klan
The Aryan Nation
Family Research Institute
The Westboro Baptist Church
The Christian Identity Movement
etc.

Can you link those groups together (??) Do they coordinate strategy (???) Do they share Mailing lists(???)
 
While the Tea-Party movement hasn't gotten to the point of having military backing, if it ever does, it will be even more dangerous to liberty and the world at large than anything an extremist Lebanese group could contact.

In short, absolutely.


I gather that you possibly believe that a Military coup in the USA is not far off , and that our Current President is in some Allende type peril (???) Don't hesitate now.
 
I don't think you're recognizing the accomplishments of atheists in the anti-Islam movement. I myself have burned a Qur'an in protest, and preached my own downfall to Islam.

Obviously, I'm not advocating any sort of holy war, but it's bad enough that I have to put up with one bat**** crazy religion in this country; I don't need another. Especially not Islam.

Strange bedfellows, I know, but still.

Wow, I've never seen such xenophobic hatefulness from the left, NOT.
 
Can you link those groups together (??) Do they coordinate strategy (???) Do they share Mailing lists(???)

That is what the Christian Identity Movement strives to do. It would like to link a lot of these groups under a single banner, establish a militia dominance in the South, and then strike a wave of terror in the name of God across the United States.
 
That is what the Christian Identity Movement strives to do. It would like to link a lot of these groups under a single banner, establish a militia dominance in the South, and then strike a wave of terror in the name of God across the United States.


Any idea as to the leadership in such an endeavor. Do we have a Modern Day Bedford Forrest (???)
 
I gather that you possibly believe that a Military coup in the USA is not far off , and that our Current President is in some Allende type peril (???) Don't hesitate now.

No, on the contrary, I think that in an ever-globalising world, pressure from more liberal nations, and the EU in particular, will help to keep extremist tendencies in the US from getting out of hand. Furthermore, as the US increasingly declines in importance, these splinter groups of radicals will have to focus more and more on more realistic problems, like getting jobs and raising families, than advancing their intolerant banner to the White House (hopefully).

And so, no, it was just a hypothetical -- I don't think that the fools in the Tea Party will ever have a major impact on your nation. Or atleast, that's what I hope.
 
By the way, regarding the OP:

I have a general question. Can a democrat serve in the military as an openly, flamboyant protesting liberal democrat? I think the military forces a lot of its servicemen and women to keep quiet about their private lives. Being "openly" gay often translates to flamboyant and proud to be gay. I don't think the military officers would care to see a flamboyant personal attitude affecting their solidified, collectivist morale.

All I'm saying that being gay shouldn't affect the hiring process, but that being "openly gay" could mean something a little different (because the military generally does not like openly anything except openly patriotic).
 
Any idea as to the leadership in such an endeavor. Do we have a Modern Day Bedford Forrest (???)

Huh? You asked for examples of extreme Christians. I provided such examples. These are people who have killed and terrorized for decades. What group in the United States has done anything even remotely comparable?
 
By the way, regarding the OP:

I have a general question. Can a democrat serve in the military as an openly, flamboyant protesting liberal democrat? I think the military forces a lot of its servicemen and women to keep quiet about their private lives. Being "openly" gay often translates to flamboyant and proud to be gay. I don't think the military officers would care to see a flamboyant personal attitude affecting their solidified, collectivist morale.

All I'm saying that being gay shouldn't affect the hiring process, but that being "openly gay" could mean something a little different (because the military generally does not like openly anything except openly patriotic).

I think the difference between cleaning toilets with a toothbrush and a cushy desk job could be largely based on how your commander feels about you. There is probably considerable incentive not to be openly "flamboyant" without fear of getting kicked out the military for it.
 
Huh? You asked for examples of extreme Christians. I provided such examples. These are people who have killed and terrorized for decades. What group in the United States has done anything even remotely comparable?

This Christian Identity Movement - They are linked with Skinheads, Arryan Nation, KKK, and they have killed(??)
 
By the way, regarding the OP:

I have a general question. Can a democrat serve in the military as an openly, flamboyant protesting liberal democrat? I think the military forces a lot of its servicemen and women to keep quiet about their private lives. Being "openly" gay often translates to flamboyant and proud to be gay. I don't think the military officers would care to see a flamboyant personal attitude affecting their solidified, collectivist morale.

All I'm saying that being gay shouldn't affect the hiring process, but that being "openly gay" could mean something a little different (because the military generally does not like openly anything except openly patriotic).


Hmm, I believe that the term "openly gay" simply refers to a calm and unhesitant positive answer. If someone were to ask the man, "Are you homosexual?" He ought to simply be able to answer "Yes." And that'd be the end of it.

Nobody is saying there ought to be 'fabulous rainbow camouflage' for all the gay members of the military -- that's ridiculous. Being 'openly gay' simply means that one doesn't have to lie when asked about it.
 
No, on the contrary, I think that in an ever-globalising world, pressure from more liberal nations, and the EU in particular, will help to keep extremist tendencies in the US from getting out of hand. Furthermore, as the US increasingly declines in importance, these splinter groups of radicals will have to focus more and more on more realistic problems, like getting jobs and raising families, than advancing their intolerant banner to the White House (hopefully).

And so, no, it was just a hypothetical -- I don't think that the fools in the Tea Party will ever have a major impact on your nation. Or atleast, that's what I hope.


Now if someone just casually looks in here you might see a subliminal desire on the part of Extreme Leftists like this Joker is(by his Avatar) to see the USA really reduced or at least the substantial Middle Class really cut down to size.

Many all along (though some after 11/08 did hope for better) suspect that Obama as President would essentially pursue the same as a long term strategy - which is WHY A) he doesn't care if the economy improves at all B) He doesn't give a Good God Damn if this Health Care Monstrosity is ever digestable to the overall Nation C) Military actions abroad are of close to zero importance to him D) He possibly does not care about substantial losses in this years elections.
 
Yes! They have!

In fact, here is a nice little wikipedia on Christian terrorism.

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You are linking groups who have minimal contacts and are essentially NOT a threat to this Republic. This includes the few Nutcase type anti Abortion bombers and rare assasins. They pale in comparison to threats financed from abroad by Islamic Radicals.

I suspect your animosity towards the Right Wing - in any form - allows you to not focus on the serious possibilities that have been occasionally realized here inside the US going back as far as 1990 with the Murder of Meir Kashane in NYC by a Muslim extremist.
 
By the way, regarding the OP:

I have a general question. Can a democrat serve in the military as an openly, flamboyant protesting liberal democrat?

I did. I took alot of **** for it, but I gave alot back(ie when Clinton beat Bush in 92, I had a lot of fun).

I think the military forces a lot of its servicemen and women to keep quiet about their private lives. Being "openly" gay often translates to flamboyant and proud to be gay. I don't think the military officers would care to see a flamboyant personal attitude affecting their solidified, collectivist morale.

All I'm saying that being gay shouldn't affect the hiring process, but that being "openly gay" could mean something a little different (because the military generally does not like openly anything except openly patriotic).

No the military does not force people to keep quiet about their personal life, unless they are gay. Discussions about the annoying thin g your boy/girlfriend, husband/wife did yesterday abounded.

Being openly gay does not mean flamboyantly gay, it means being able to admit to having a same sex relationship, and bringing them to command functions. Gays that you see on Queer Eye or the like are both unlikely to join the military, and would not do well if they did join, but they are the vast minority of gays. Most openly gay people are just gay people who don't hide the fact.
 
In response to your message Le Marteau, I would like to add that of course nobody can provide you with a 100% proof or disproof in this matter. In fact it is not the effect of homosexuals on morale in the army in case of major confruntation it is the effect on morale of non-homosexuals having to serve in the army together with them . I mean according to the polls as I understand many people wuold not like it to be that way. And if they are made to serve in the army like that their morale will suffer. I am not talking about minor conflicts. Any sort of people take part in them. I am talking about real confrontations (I wish there were not any). But in that case morale matters much more. Our ideas are different but they are hypothetic. What do you think about referendums? Each country might have a referendum and people would deside on their destiny or fate democratically. IMO that woul be fair.
 
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