View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, do it now

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  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

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  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well why don't you start by responding to my reply rather than trying to make an argument that is rendered null since high school?
    Why did you leave out my actual response?
    You know.. .the one that made you get personal?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Wouldnt have to spend time figuring it out, they would be openly gay. It would be BAM IN YO FACE. And everyone would know when Brad came walking in the shower that they were in the presense of a potential cock gazer.
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    Why did you leave out my actual response?
    You know.. .the one that made you get personal?
    There it is. Showering has little to do with anything. As I already said we have been showering with other men since high school. Made no difference gay or not. I guess expecting solders to be more professional than high schoolers is asking to much?

    This also had little to do with most of my post.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How does Isreal handle it? I have no clue as to your age, so not sure if you have firsthand info, but are you aware of how they handle the situation?
    I don't know how Isreal deals with it, but Israel has no such order as the DADT.
    Gays would be accepted into every role in the military if they fit into it, and if the conditions enforce it they would indeed shower with the rest of their unit.
    Thing is most of the gays are not being sent to the combat roles to begin with, and a big percentage amongst those who are sent to combat roles are not being open about their sexuality due to their conditions.
    It's not that the military enforces homosexuals not to speak about their sexuality, it's more of a social enviroment thing that the homosexual individuals choose not to talk about it.
    I do not doubt however that there are cases when gay soldiers are open about their sexuality and shower with their unit, but again, I've never met such case so I cannot judge.
    I did however serve amongst gay soldiers, that have only later on opened up about their sexuality.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    If every soldier and marine had his own room and bathroom(even in basic training) or if everything was coed I could see letting gays openly serve in the military. So until those things happen I say no, leave it as it is. Because unit cohesion is more important than gays being allowed to openly serve. I can see all the POGs(Persons other than Grunts,basically anybody in the military who is not infantry) in the military support repealing DADT because most of them are just civilians in soldiers clothes. I can see a lot of officers wanting to repeal DADT because alot of them do not share rooms,latrines or showers with other soldiers or marines so they do not think about these things nor do they care. I can see a lot of those who never served in the military support ending DADT seeing how most of them have this naive attitude that military is just like another job, something like working at a McDonalds or K-Mart.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    In all honestly, does this make any difference? I mean, is there a measurable affect from having openly gay people in the military? Or is it that some people think it's icky and that's all?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I don't know how Isreal deals with it, but Israel has no such order as the DADT.
    They don't need it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Gays would be accepted into every role in the military if they fit into it, and if the conditions enforce it they would indeed shower with the rest of their unit.
    Thing is most of the gays are not being sent to the combat roles to begin with, and a big percentage amongst those who are sent to combat roles are not being open about their sexuality due to their conditions.
    I know this is not true, but I will ask for evidence of this anyway.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If every soldier and marine had his own room and bathroom(even in basic training) or if everything was coed I could see letting gays openly serve in the military. So until those things happen I say no, leave it as it is. Because unit cohesion is more important than gays being allowed to openly serve. I can see all the POGs(Persons other than Grunts,basically anybody in the military who is not infantry) in the military support repealing DADT because most of them are just civilians in soldiers clothes. I can see a lot of officers wanting to repeal DADT because alot of them do not share rooms,latrines or showers with other soldiers or marines so they do not think about these things nor do they care. I can see a lot of those who never served in the military support ending DADT seeing how most of them have this naive attitude that military is just like another job, something like working at a McDonalds or K-Mart.
    As I already said; we have been showering with other men since high school. Made no difference gay or not. I guess expecting solders to be more professional than high schoolers is asking to much?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    They don't need it.



    I know this is not true, but I will ask for evidence of this anyway.
    I can't back that up with evidence since one would not be able to find statistics that seperate gays and straights in the Israeli military.
    It's simply a feeling I personally hold.

    Basically speaking however that statement cannot be false, since most recruits in general don't go to combat roles in the IDF, so the statement about gays is a private situation of that general statement.

    By the way I've just recalled that there was a movie in Israel about gays in the military, called Yossi & Jagger.
    You can look it up if you feel the need to research.
    Here's the imdb page :Yossi & Jagger (2002)
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As I already said; we have been showering with other men since high school. Made no difference gay or not. I guess expecting solders to be more professional than high schoolers is asking to much?
    The only reason why back then it did not make a difference is because you did not know know if the guy showering next to you was a meat gazer. With DADT it was a not a issue because some meat gazer lustfully checking you out in the shower would get him kicked out. If you had a daughter would want her to shower with random guys and share the same room with random guys?
    Last edited by jamesrage; 05-28-10 at 08:27 PM.
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