View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, do it now

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  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Racine View Post
    I really do not believe that the quality in the Recruiting pool will in any way improve if this gets really implemented. On the contrary despite the current rotten economy I think it might accelerate the departure of some who do not appreciate this type of progress.
    Historically with services that have allowed gays to serve have not had that problem when gays where allowed.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Racine View Post
    I really do not believe that the quality in the Recruiting pool will in any way improve if this gets really implemented. On the contrary despite the current rotten economy I think it might accelerate the departure of some who do not appreciate this type of progress.
    Do you want people who can't put their country ahead of their prejudices in the military anyway?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The problem people fail to look at is that it will create divisiveness amongst units, especially in combat arms where only men are allowed to serve, and often have to share hygiene facilities.
    There aren't too many male only jobs left in the military and the divisiveness will soon be overcome just as racial desegregation and gender desegregation was overcome.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Do you want people who can't put their country ahead of their prejudices in the military anyway?


    Have you ever been in Combat ?????

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Racine View Post
    Have you ever been in Combat ?????
    Nope, but I don't see the relevance.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There aren't too many male only jobs left in the military and the divisiveness will soon be overcome just as racial desegregation and gender desegregation was overcome.


    On a personal Human level I hope you are correct. This still assumes that the motivation here is pure and altruistic. I suspect a lot of it isn't.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Dear Le Marteau, the question about homosexuals being less effective as soldiers is amiss. May be they are more effective in combat. This is not a pragmatic issue. Moral issues have long term effects and a point of no return. As they say the mills of God grind slowly but fine. There is a great risk of winning a battle or some battles but literally losing a war with them in the army.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Dear Le Marteau, waiting for your reply.
    Last edited by grig; 10-16-10 at 10:48 AM. Reason: addition

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Racine View Post
    Your Avatar might be a reason. Some might still think We need a Military and BTW in Russia or China or Cuba - do Open Gays serve (???)
    Firstly, I don't understand your connexion between gays openly serving in the military and the destruction of the United States Armed Forces entirely -- I hope you'd made a typographical error. If not, and you believe that gays openly serving in the military will destroy the military as we know it, then you're too far gone.

    As well, to answer your questions, yes. Gays can openly serve in all of the major, and most of the minor nations on Earth. The simple fact is that, for whatever reason, be it extremist religious tendencies in the States, or just plain conservative resistance to change, the States seem to be one of the few nation that cares one way or the other whether a person is gay or not.

    Among the other big-name nations that don't allow gays to openly serve? Iran, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia... Some fine bedmates there, mate.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by grig View Post
    Dear Le Marteau, the question about homosexuals being less effective as soldiers is amiss. May be they are more effective in combat. This is not a pragmatic issue. Moral issues have long term effects and a point of no return. As they say the mills of God grind slowly but fine. There is a great risk of winning a battle or some battles but literally losing a war with them in the army.
    In response to this, Grig, I would like to challenge you to find a single survey made by an international or even supranational source that says gays have any effect on morale whatsoever.

    The fact that all of the other major military powers on Earth allow gays to openly serve, and have not resulted in the Armageddon nor the dismantling of those armies entirely, ought to be proof enough that your fear is unfounded.

    In fact, I might go so far as to argue that in recent years, some other nations have been more militarily successful in their endeavours than the US has. If you want to continue correlating military success and gays openly serving, how, pray tell, do you explain that?

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