View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, do it now

    79 36.41%
  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

    104 47.93%
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I can not begin to comprehend the reasoning behind all the people who answered "no, and gays shouldn't be allowed to serve at all".

    Can you give a single reason backed with evidence that homosexual soldiers are any less effective or cohesive in their unit to straight soldiers?

    Come on, the US should get out of the 19th century by now.
    It's probably includes something along the lines of "non-gay soldiers don't want to serve with gay soldiers", which IMO is total MBE (Male Bovine Excrement). Hey, look, a new acronym.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It's probably includes something along the lines of "non-gay soldiers don't want to serve with gay soldiers", which IMO is total MBE (Male Bovine Excrement). Hey, look, a new acronym.
    Male Bovine Excrement indeed, mon ami.

    What's even more shocking about the entire episode is that I'm fairly sure that most American soldiers themselves don't care one way or the other (I served with the French Foreign Legion, and afterwards the Royal Marines, and I came into contact several times with American soldiers), it's just the partisan pundits who are trying to make it a D-R sticking point.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Male Bovine Excrement indeed, mon ami.

    What's even more shocking about the entire episode is that I'm fairly sure that most American soldiers themselves don't care one way or the other (I served with the French Foreign Legion, and afterwards the Royal Marines, and I came into contact several times with American soldiers), it's just the partisan pundits who are trying to make it a D-R sticking point.

    In our culture it is an act of the desperate to hold on to power and used as a wedge issue. And sometimes it works although it is getting less and less effective.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    In our culture it is an act of the desperate to hold on to power and used as a wedge issue. And sometimes it works although it is getting less and less effective.
    I think DADT is a dead issue -- it will be repealed within a few years (I severely hope, for the sake of America's social progress. Maybe you'll enter the 20th century sometime soon XD), so why are they still fighting over it?

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I think DADT is a dead issue -- it will be repealed within a few years (I severely hope, for the sake of America's social progress. Maybe you'll enter the 20th century sometime soon XD), so why are they still fighting over it?

    They are fighting over in a last despite attempt. And I do think gays will be getting married all over this nation with federal recognition within 5 to 7 years including military personnel.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I think DADT is a dead issue -- it will be repealed within a few years (I severely hope, for the sake of America's social progress. Maybe you'll enter the 20th century sometime soon XD), so why are they still fighting over it?
    I'm under the impression that it's on the way out atm, and will vanish inside a year.

    Why are they still fighting over it?

    I'm seriously considering the possibility that some of the opponents are simply scared they'll be ass-raped by hordes of male gays.

    Either that, or they truly believe it's "against gods will", and that they somehow can justify forcing others to adhere to beliefs they don't believe in.

    Personally, I was taught that homosexuality violates the “will of god”, “the bible”, etc, but I haven't decided if I agree or not. And even if I DID agree, I wouldn't consider it my place to force my beliefs on anyone.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm under the impression that it's on the way out atm, and will vanish inside a year.

    Why are they still fighting over it?

    I'm seriously considering the possibility that some of the opponents are simply scared they'll be ass-raped by hordes of male gays.

    Either that, or they truly believe it's "against gods will", and that they somehow can justify forcing others to adhere to beliefs they don't believe in.

    Personally, I was taught that homosexuality violates the “will of god”, “the bible”, etc, but I haven't decided if I agree or not. And even if I DID agree, I wouldn't consider it my place to force my beliefs on anyone.

    No, the issue is simply that the propaganda war between the two opposing sides in your country is so strong and influential that anyone claiming to be political at all MUST side with their party, even on topics that are outdated, Draconic, and befitting of a nation like Yemen.

    Which, I might note, is having a civil war between its bipartisan Republicans and Monarchists.

    Heh.

    Just a thought.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I can not begin to comprehend the reasoning behind all the people who answered "no, and gays shouldn't be allowed to serve at all".

    Can you give a single reason backed with evidence that homosexual soldiers are any less effective or cohesive in their unit to straight soldiers?

    Come on, the US should get out of the 19th century by now.

    Your Avatar might be a reason. Some might still think We need a Military and BTW in Russia or China or Cuba - do Open Gays serve (???)

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Racine View Post
    Your Avatar might be a reason. Some might still think We need a Military and BTW in Russia or China or Cuba - do Open Gays serve (???)
    WTH does the "gays or no gays" argument have to do with whether the US has a military or not? Surely you're not suggesting the military will cease to exist if gays are allowed to serve openly, rather than covertly?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    I support them being allowed to serve openly but I issue an idea for those who dont want them to server. If you dont want them to serve, then dont tax them.
    Last edited by Cold Highway; 10-15-10 at 11:08 PM.
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