View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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    79 36.41%
  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    On another thought alien to the mortal....


    We always policed ourselves... If we were a bunch of homophobic girlymen, what would changing the policy REALLY do?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    On another thought alien to the mortal....


    We always policed ourselves... If we were a bunch of homophobic girlymen, what would changing the policy REALLY do?
    Exactly the point. Thank you. The only thing it will change will be to allow homosexual or bisexual men and women not be forced to hide for fear of being kicked out. It will change nothing with regard to the people who are NOT homosexual or bisexual since, as you've already statted, you guys know who is and who isn't and deal with it accordingly. And according to you, were "okay" with it.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Exactly the point. Thank you. The only thing it will change will be to allow homosexual or bisexual men and women not be forced to hide for fear of being kicked out. It will change nothing with regard to the people who are NOT homosexual or bisexual since, as you've already statted, you guys know who is and who isn't and deal with it accordingly. And according to you, were "okay" with it.



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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Like I said, What I cared about shooting, wasn't the thing between ones legs.
    I certainly would hope that's the case. I'd hate to think that much of the civilian population is able to deal with such knowledge, but the military personnel aren't. In general, most people hold the military to a higher standard. But to hear some people tell it in this thread, perhaps we shouldn't since, according to some, they are actually less capable than much of the civilian population.

    Good to know that at some in the military are focused on their tasks at hand, instead of each others dicks.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I certainly would hope that's the case. I'd hate to think that much of the civilian population is able to deal with such knowledge, but the military personnel aren't. In general, most people hold the military to a higher standard. But to hear some people tell it in this thread, perhaps we shouldn't since, according to some, they are actually less capable than much of the civilian population.

    Good to know that at some in the military are focused on their tasks at hand, instead of each others dicks.



    Most are. I would guess most of those in this thread are as well. It's the machismo factor and down time stuff like this all comes out. I have been accused of same. When you are in the **** you have little time to worry about who's checking you out.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Have you known anyone during your time in the military that thought they had been sexually harassed, or even been privy to any sexual harassment cases?

    Choosing to reside with males offbase is an entirely different subject. I'm sure you didn't just pick some random guys and go get an apartment. Choosing to live with people, male, female, straight, or gay, that you know and trust is far different to being assigned to live with them.
    The only cases I knew of sexual harassment claims (besides the one I described earlier involving my entire berthing) happened outside of berthing. Truthfully, the only one that I can remember at the moment involved one of our male sailors and a female shipyard worker. He brought charges against her for backing him up to a bulkhead and kissing him because he was very conservative and married.

    And no, actually I didn't know two of the three male roommates that I shared an apartment with before we went apartment hunting. The one I did know, who was a good friend from the division, suggested them as roommates. We were all E-4s and were informed that we would be stuck living on the barge during a shipyard period because they didn't have enough barracks rooms for everyone, and they were giving those to E-3s and below first. We were also told however, that we would not be authorized BAH til we reached E-5, so we needed as many roommates as we could get to cut down on expenses.

    Saying all this though, still doesn't mean much when it comes to being straight or gay and living together. As I posted earlier, male and female heterosexuals and homosexuals know now that they most likely will be living with someone of a different sexuality than they are. The only difference after homosexuals are allowed to serve openly will be that some of those homosexuals who were still hiding their homosexuality may choose to share that they are gay with their unit (although I will argue that very few will actually do this, just due to the military environment and mindset in general). I still think it is important to stop discharging personnel for being gay as soon as possible, but I can see the difference between being "out" on paper and "out" to a person's unit/division.

    Do you think that you knew every personal detail of everyone you have ever worked with? What kind of girls all the guys you worked with liked to date? What diseases/disorders they may have had?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Hard to believe this is still being argued. Gays can pull the trigger just as well I would imagine. There was an ancient society.. I think it was the Spartans who would team up homosexual partners. Apparently when they saw their loved one fall they were particularly fierce fighters. I don't know the validity of the claim of course it was out of an extreme right wing book somehow trying to discredit homosexuality ironically.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    The funny thing about this is I'm not even opposed to repealing DADT. I, and most, think it was a ridiculous plan with no impact. The only reason it exists is so Clinton can claim he did something for Homosexuals.

    I'm simply stating that a pragmatic approach to repealing it should be followed. Apparently the bleeders, who know very little about military culture, don't know the difference between opposition and caution.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    I'll add a little something that most on the farther left won't see as relevant to this discussion.I add it to show that life in the military is a bit different than life outside it:

    McChrystal relieved of command, Petraeus chosen to take over - CNN.com

    Gen. McChrystal has been relieved of command for comments made about the President, by his aides. A proud and successful career showing dedication to the nation comes to an end over the perception of insubordination. Gen McChrystal didn't even say anything about the President himself. A lot of careers of good people are going to come to an end over the DADT issue if it's not done in a methodical and pragmatic way.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    I can not begin to comprehend the reasoning behind all the people who answered "no, and gays shouldn't be allowed to serve at all".

    Can you give a single reason backed with evidence that homosexual soldiers are any less effective or cohesive in their unit to straight soldiers?

    Come on, the US should get out of the 19th century by now.

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