View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, do it now

    79 36.41%
  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

    104 47.93%
  • Other, please explain

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Thread: Gays in the Military

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Yeah, riverrat and I live in this weird alternate reality in which the subordinate clause of a conditional sentence contains not only the subject, but also the verb and object of the clause as well.
    Corected above. Apparently my incomplete sentance is more relevant than the argument.
    Last edited by mac; 06-22-10 at 11:11 PM.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how it was unfair to me when I shared quarters with a dozen men or so myself. And if you're not able to tell me how it was unfair, then I guess I, and the rest of us, will just remain clueless on the matter.
    You were assigned to an open bay environment with male service members on a permanant or semi-permant basis?

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    He/she should be.
    Well, that's not the way it works.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You were assigned to an open bay environment with male service members on a permanant or semi-permant basis?
    Nope. Not in the military - at a fire department. But maybe that's why it was okay. Maybe civilians are just better able to handle situations like that, and still maintain professional behavior? It would seem, from some of the comments here, that many men in the military have a serious problem with focus and discipline and can't handle situations that don't seem to adversely affect so many civilians.

    Maybe it's a training issue?

    But can you tell me how it's unfair or inappropriate to sleep in the same room with the opposite gender?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, that's not the way it works.
    Didn't say it was.

    Note the "should".
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Nope. Not in the military - at a fire department. But maybe that's why it was okay. Maybe civilians are just better able to handle situations like that, and still maintain professional behavior? It would seem, from some of the comments here, that many men in the military have a serious problem with focus and discipline and can't handle situations that don't seem to adversely affect so many civilians.

    Maybe it's a training issue?

    But can you tell me how it's unfair or inappropriate to sleep in the same room with the opposite gender?
    Ok, so you lived at the firehouse and had no private residence? And there was no form of separation from where you slept and where the males slept, and no seperate bathrooms.....right? You changed your clothes in front of your male coworkers, and you were free to sleep in whatever you liked while completely exposed to your male coworkers....

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Didn't say it was.

    Note the "should".
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok, so you lived at the firehouse and had no private residence?
    3 - 4 successive days and nights a week, yes, we lived and worked out of stations.

    And there was no form of separation from where you slept and where the males slept, and no seperate bathrooms.....right?
    Nope.

    You changed your clothes in front of your male coworkers, and you were free to sleep in whatever you liked while completely exposed to your male coworkers....
    Yes. I also changed clothes in front of both the male and female river guides I worked with - completely by choice.

    I didn't find it an issue. So, why was it unfair to us?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    3 - 4 successive days and nights a week, yes, we lived and worked out of stations.


    Nope.


    Yes. I also changed clothes in front of both the male and female river guides I worked with - completely by choice.

    I didn't find it an issue. So, why was it unfair to us?
    It's unfair because this is home to these folks. This is where they live all the time. While you may be completely comfortable changing your clothes in front of your fellow river guides while on a camping trip, doesn't mean it's fair to put a female service member in cohabitation with members of the opposite sex that she doesn't know. That's not a stretch. In fact I don't know to many people that would need that explained to them.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's unfair because this is home to these folks. This is where they live all the time. While you may be completely comfortable changing your clothes in front of your fellow river guides while on a camping trip, doesn't mean it's fair to put a female servicemember in a cohabitation situation whith members of the opposite sex that she doesn't know. Re
    I doubt very much that most people in the military spend most of their time in open bay barracks.
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