View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

Voters
217. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, do it now

    79 36.41%
  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

    104 47.93%
  • Other, please explain

    9 4.15%
Page 36 of 49 FirstFirst ... 26343536373846 ... LastLast
Results 351 to 360 of 484

Thread: Gays in the Military

  1. #351
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:21 PM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,264
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Explain why it wouldn't be, in the situation you describe. If the males can’t keep to themselves, they shouldn’t be there anyway.

    Also, explain why this hypothetical female would be the only female in the housing unit.
    It's an irrelevancy that he is throwing out there. Most discussions of gays will have any number of them. We need the bestiality, incest, pedophilia, polygamy red herrings too.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  2. #352
    Sage
    mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    DC Metro
    Last Seen
    11-13-16 @ 12:58 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    22,499

    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I can do searches, what I was wondering is if you knew the answer. And you still haven't answered my question. Let me ask another, could a straight male walking into his barracks/dorm room to find his roommate masturbating be considered sexual harassment?

  3. #353
    Sage
    mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    DC Metro
    Last Seen
    11-13-16 @ 12:58 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    22,499

    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    . If the males can't keep to themselves, they shouldn't be there anyway.
    Are they no longer male because they are military? Would a military commander have a defense against charges of mismanagement for housing his/her females together under that logic?

  4. #354
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:21 PM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,264
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I can do searches, what I was wondering is if you knew the answer. And you still haven't answered my question. Let me ask another, could a straight male walking into his barracks/dorm room to find his roommate masturbating be considered sexual harassment?
    If you know the answer, why ask? I was in the Navy when Tailhook happened(and Adm. Dunleavy's son was in my squadron). I have been through more damn sexual harassment training than any person should ever be subject to.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  5. #355
    Goddess of Bacon

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Charlottesville, VA
    Last Seen
    05-28-12 @ 09:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    13,988

    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Let's say and 18 year old female checks into her first military unit...would you expect her to be housed in a room with a seasoned 25 year old male she has never met and knows nothing about? or for that matter, with 25 males she has never met? A room now, not an apartment.
    Sure. Why not?

  6. #356
    Sage
    mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    DC Metro
    Last Seen
    11-13-16 @ 12:58 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    22,499

    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If you know the answer, why ask? I was in the Navy when Tailhook happened(and Adm. Dunleavy's son was in my squadron). I have been through more damn sexual harassment training than any person should ever be subject to.
    Indeed I have too, I am still in the Navy and have been for about 22 years...three years of that as a CMEO, and most of it post tailhook. Still, you have now not answered either of my questions....

  7. #357
    Goddess of Bacon

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Charlottesville, VA
    Last Seen
    05-28-12 @ 09:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    13,988

    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I can do searches, what I was wondering is if you knew the answer. And you still haven't answered my question. Let me ask another, could a straight male walking into his barracks/dorm room to find his roommate masturbating be considered sexual harassment?
    Yes, it certainly could be. ****ing stupid what could be considered sexual harrassment. I wish we'd do away with the majority of those idiot 'rules'.

  8. #358
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I can do searches, what I was wondering is if you knew the answer. And you still haven't answered my question. Let me ask another, could a straight male walking into his barracks/dorm room to find his roommate masturbating be considered sexual harassment?
    Yes, it actually could be considered sexual harassment. Most guys wouldn't turn their roommate in for it, but they could.

    My entire berthing was turned in for "sexual harassment" by the girls living below us because they felt we were all too "close". In fact, the two girls that turned us in swore up and down that we were all gay. All that happened was we were talked to about not being so "close" in our lounge, but were told that it was okay in berthing as long as no one in our department cared, which no one did. We all considered back rubs and hugging (which is pretty much what we got turned in for), to be sisterly and what girl friends do.

    Of course, we still need to know where you're going with this. The main reason guys and girls have separate living spaces is because of our society separating men and women in those personal situations. Heck, there are even still some states that have laws against cohabitation of unmarried men and women. The secondary reason, for the military, is because the majority of military personnel, male or female, will most likely be straight. Which means that it makes sense for them to separate the genders to minimize the chances of sexual harassment. However, it is easy to see who is male and who is female. Sexuality is not so obvious most of the time. And just because DADT is lifted, it doesn't mean that all, or even most gays in the military will come out of the closet or that really it will be anyone's business if they do come out but not to their unit/command.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  9. #359
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:46 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,736

    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Are they no longer male because they are military?
    Of course not.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Would a military commander have a defense against charges of mismanagement for housing his/her females together under that logic?
    I do not understand what you are trying to say here.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  10. #360
    Sage
    mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    DC Metro
    Last Seen
    11-13-16 @ 12:58 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    22,499

    Re: Gays in the Military

    The only point I am trying to make is that there indeed are situations that must be thouroughly considered before DADT is repealed. Situations unique to the military environment.

    There are a lot of questions that have to be answered. Is it sexual harrasment or discrimination to allow a straight male to move out of a room because his roommate is homosexual? Is it discrimination to deny a request to move under those circumstances? Who is at fault, the requestor, the approver, etc. That's just the begining....

    Our service members will follow policy, whatever that policy is. Each and every day our service members live undr standards set much higher than those of the American public. They are held to higher standards than those of the American public, and for the most part do it without fail. Give them a little time to figure it out and set policy, is all I'm saying.
    Last edited by mac; 06-22-10 at 09:11 PM.

Page 36 of 49 FirstFirst ... 26343536373846 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •