View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, do it now

    79 36.41%
  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

    104 47.93%
  • Other, please explain

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    No, I understand what disobeying an order is. Thanks for the condescention however.

    I don't recall any orders not to have sex being given to me when I was in combat zones. That's what I meant was news to me.
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    I don't know how long it's been since you were in a combat zone, but that is a standing order in all the current combat zones whether you were aware of it or not.



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    Re: Gays in the Military

    The homosexuals should serve as long as they honor the DADT, even then, they must respect their fellow soldiers.
    If most of their compatriots are not offended, then, lets put this to rest....
    We have many other, more important, things which must be addressed..

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Gentlemen, the answer you seek is called "General Order #1" google it.
    I am well aware of it and the other 10 as well.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Of course there are openly gay doctors. You have missed the point I was making.

    First, God Bless your husband, but has he spent months on end at sea on a ship or submarine? There berthing situations in the military with which you and your husband are unfamiliar. Many of which I have experienced in my 22 years in the Navy.

    Second, I think you've misunderstood me. I am not speaking against repealing DADT. Personally I could care less what anyone does with their free time. What I am saying is, the public and congress needs to understand that the service chiefs are going to need some time to work this out.

    Third, every ship in the US Navy is open bay for the enlisted folks. So actually, really, it's not that simple.
    He has, but so have I. I was active duty for almost 10 years. I was on a carrier for 5 years. I am quite aware of the berthing situation aboard.

    However, from my experience, there were many sailors who were "out" in my department. This was not an issue at all. In fact, everyone aboard was well aware that the legal officer was gay. It just wasn't a big deal. That said, I understand there will probably be some problems. But, again, most will come because of other people's intolerance of those gays who do decide to come out in commands/departments/units where it is less accepted.

    And I also understand that some time is needed to do things such as deciding on how to implement and conduct initial tolerance training, including sexuality into equal opportunity training, deciding how to deal with those situations where the intolerance is affecting unit cohesion and morale, and deciding how to handle a person whose open disclosure of their sexuality is disruptive to the unit because of the way they are doing it or if they are flaunting it. Many of the rest of the "problems" that I have heard/read people being concerned with are covered by other military regulations, such as fraternization and sexual relationships while on duty.

    The military could still implement a policy where only cases where the person's homosexuality is proven to cause a problem with unit cohesion are actually discharged. Most people are pretty certain that the military will eventually agree to allow homosexual personnel to serve openly, but the problem I see is that until then, there are people being discharged who have actually shown that they are a problem to unit morale or cohesion, but rather that they were accidentally found out to be gay or they turned themselves in for the general discharge.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    o.O I guess that would matter what you consider a "combat zone".
    Or perhaps it matters what you deem to be a "woman."

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    I withdraw my statement that gays are mostly anti-military. Whether or not it's true, I can't prove it, so I apologize for making the statement without grounds. However, I will not back down on my point that it is totally wrong not to give the allotted one year to the military and those researching and investigating the effects of disbanding DADT.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    As my conservative mentor and hero Barry Goldwater said, "I don't care what they do in their own time, so long as they can shoot straight."

    I agree. Gays have always been in the military. And they always will be.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarrow View Post
    I withdraw my statement that gays are mostly anti-military. Whether or not it's true, I can't prove it, so I apologize for making the statement without grounds. However, I will not back down on my point that it is totally wrong not to give the allotted one year to the military and those researching and investigating the effects of disbanding DADT.
    I am for allowing gays to serve. However, I don't mind allowing the military to research and investigate the effects of doing so.
    Last edited by samsmart; 06-20-10 at 08:38 PM.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I am for allowing gays to serve. However, I don't mind allowing the military to research and investigate the effects of doing so.
    I just hope no-one protests the budget plus up that will be required for redesigning ships birthing and building new barracks/dorms.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I just hope no-one protests the budget plus up that will be required for redesigning ships birthing and building new barracks/dorms.
    The ships give birth? Is that where little tugboats come from?

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