View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, do it now

    79 36.41%
  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

    104 47.93%
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    When our troops are home from afghanistan and Iraq. 1998 would have been a good year.
    Yeah, I agree. That would have been a good time, though that may have been "too much, too soon" too.

    I also don't think we foresaw our current military situation at the time, and thought that at a time of relative peace and stability we'd be good to go for a few more years.

    The only thing I remember being pissed about, was that some dirtbag draft dodgers first move as POTUS was to meddle with the military.
    I never thought I'd have to ask this, but, "To which President do you refer?"

    I know at least two that fit that description.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Yeah, I agree. That would have been a good time, though that may have been "too much, too soon" too.

    I also don't think we foresaw our current military situation at the time, and thought that at a time of relative peace and stability we'd be good to go for a few more years.


    Any time during the brac as well... as we were retiring folks early, that would have been the time.


    I never thought I'd have to ask this, but, "To which President do you refer?"

    I know at least two that fit that description.


    The one who put DADT in place.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    A fair critique. I've used a blanket statement where it would be more appropriate to use "some, many, most" and so on.

    I don't believe that undermines my point.





    You're right that some would leave the military as a result of the new policy. That would open the way for new talent, potentially better talent, to come in. The military is also back-logged. My nephew is currently on the waiting list to become a Marine. It'll be nine months before he even gets a chance to be taken. They're that backed up.

    The Air Force and Navy had similar lines. The Army could get him in right away...


    ::cough::



    I don't think the idea that some folks either couldn't or wouldn't adapt to modernity in the military is a reason to not modernize the military.






    It's illegal?

    News to me... I know several more felons than I thought I did then. That's funny.
    disobeying a direct order, which that is, is punishible under the UCMJ. That means, it's illegal. Military members are subject to laws that civilians are not subject too.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    disobeying a direct order, which that is, is punishible under the UCMJ. That means, it's illegal. Military members are subject to laws that civilians are not subject too.
    No, I understand what disobeying an order is. Thanks for the condescention however.

    I don't recall any orders not to have sex being given to me when I was in combat zones. That's what I meant was news to me.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    No, I understand what disobeying an order is. Thanks for the condescention however.

    I don't recall any orders not to have sex being given to me when I was in combat zones, however. That's what I meant was news to me.




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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You can be charged under a general article under the UCMJ for getting pregnant while deployed.
    That I knew.

    So is getting a tattoo if they really want to press the issue. Or a sunburn.

    That doesn't make having sex illegal though. It is possible to have sex without getting pregnant. I wasn't aware of any regulation barring sexual intercourse in a combat zone.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    That I knew.

    So is getting a tattoo if they really want to press the issue. Or a sunburn.

    That doesn't make having sex illegal though. It is possible to have sex without getting pregnant. I wasn't aware of any regulation barring sexual intercourse in a combat zone.



    there were no women in any of the units I was attached to. I didn't need a regulation to "bar" sexual intercourse for me.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    there were no women in any of the units I was attached to. I didn't need a regulation to "bar" sexual intercourse for me.
    Most unfortunate.

    Not that we had tons of women either. I personally never had sex in a combat zone. I do know a few people that did, however.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Most unfortunate.

    Not that we had tons of women either. I personally never had sex in a combat zone. I do know a few people that did, however.


    o.O I guess that would matter what you consider a "combat zone".
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    No, I understand what disobeying an order is. Thanks for the condescention however.

    I don't recall any orders not to have sex being given to me when I was in combat zones. That's what I meant was news to me.
    I don't know how long it's been since you were in a combat zone, but that is a standing order in all the current combat zones whether you were aware of it or not.

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