View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, do it now

    79 36.41%
  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

    104 47.93%
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Dear Deuce there is a certain genetic hitch with them but it is not the point. They are human beings all right but different people usually have different functions. They can be singers. In the army there is promotion and who wants unpredictable things there? Too much is at stake. The blind should not lead people with normal eyesight. And this rule does not discriminate the blind people, does it?

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by grig View Post
    Dear Deuce there is a certain genetic hitch with them but it is not the point. They are human beings all right but different people usually have different functions. They can be singers. In the army there is promotion and who wants unpredictable things there? Too much is at stake. The blind should not lead people with normal eyesight. And this rule does not discriminate the blind people, does it?
    what are you saying? that gays are genetically incapable of following orders, or pointing guns, or driving tanks? what function in the army are they incapable of doing?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Army is not just following orders, pointing guns or drivng tanks. From my experience I know that there must be first of all a collective spirit and as little deviation or potential friction as possible. Ask the high standing offecers. They know better how things stand.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by grig View Post
    Army is not just following orders, pointing guns or drivng tanks. From my experience I know that there must be first of all a collective spirit and as little deviation or potential friction as possible. Ask the high standing offecers. They know better how things stand.
    and so how will unit cohesiveness be effected any differently to how it is being effected by the gays currently serving?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    and so how will unit cohesiveness be effected any differently to how it is being effected by the gays currently serving?
    This is the same argument that was used in the 50s to prevent blacks and whites to serve together, and it makes just as much sense today. Of course those making this argument will point out equally silly reasons which are not rooted in reality, but to make it even more ridiculous, they ignore the fact that gays have always been in the military -- just secretly -- and somehow we've been able to survive
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Personal opinion #1: Anyone who thinks a few uncomfortable people are a legitimate reason to continue the asinine (not to mention idiotic) DADT bit is...Well you get the point.

    Personal opinion #2: Anyone who thinks the various bureaucracies and such who are in charge here can instantly accomplish the change from rules and standards under DADT to rules and standards without DADT is...Same as above.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    I love the argument against allowing gays to serve openly. In the movies soldiers are portrayed as these tough guys who take verbal and physical abuse all day long from some sadistic drill sergeant without flinching. But then so many people seem to think that they are really a bunch of sissies whose delicate feelings and insecurities need to be coddled and treated with sensitivity.

    I think that if anyone can't handle being ogled by someone they aren't attracted to, then they just aren't cut out for the military. I think we should expect our soldiers to be made of sterner stuff than that.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I love the argument against allowing gays to serve openly. In the movies soldiers are portrayed as these tough guys who take verbal and physical abuse all day long from some sadistic drill sergeant without flinching. But then so many people seem to think that they are really a bunch of sissies whose delicate feelings and insecurities need to be coddled and treated with sensitivity.

    I think that if anyone can't handle being ogled by someone they aren't attracted to, then they just aren't cut out for the military. I think we should expect our soldiers to be made of sterner stuff than that.
    I think you have it wrong son.

    Its the potential openly gay folks that we are worried about when they get caught or even not caught and just suspected by some paranoid freak of starring at another man's junk and word spreads and then they all gang up on the gay guy and beat his ass because thats the type of mentality that works in the military.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I think you have it wrong son.

    Its the potential openly gay folks that we are worried about when they get caught or even not caught and just suspected by some paranoid freak of starring at another man's junk and word spreads and then they all gang up on the gay guy and beat his ass because thats the type of mentality that works in the military.
    So instead of punishing the bigots who beat up kids for being gay, we're going to punish the victims instead.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I think you have it wrong son.

    Its the potential openly gay folks that we are worried about when they get caught or even not caught and just suspected by some paranoid freak of starring at another man's junk and word spreads and then they all gang up on the gay guy and beat his ass because thats the type of mentality that works in the military.
    I beg to differ.

    That is not the type of mentality that works in the modern military. Well, in most branches at least. You'll still find people who are blatantly racist in the military as well - again they're present in some branches more than others.

    Most of the military isn't comprised of a bunch of club-toting neanderthals however. They're not oblivious to the fact that gays are now and always have been part of the military, nor do they "wig out" over the idea.

    If they're that inherently psychotic that they'd lash out about someone's sexuality, they're also going to lash out about other things as well, and there's really not much to be done about it aside from either keeping them out of the military to begin with, or resolving it the way we would if they lashed out at a female, an African-American, or a civilian.

    If they can't restrain themselves from lashing out, they don't belong there anyway - in which case they should be found and removed, rather than removing those that we're worried they might lash out towards.

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