View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, do it now

    79 36.41%
  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

    104 47.93%
  • Other, please explain

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Someday, when you guys are old and gray, you'll do a search and find these old comments you made. And you'll think to yourself "Man, I can't believe I held such terrible views" in the same way many elderly people today look back at the views they had against blacks at lunch counters or interracial marriage.

    I know you don't believe me now, but please remember my prediction thirty years from now and see if I'm not right.
    I think you are absolutely right. Who could argue against this? The question isn't whether or not gays should be in the military. It's how to get through the coming change of mind set within the military. That is what the Pentagon is working on. People who are hung up on "to do" or "not to do" are wasting their time.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Sure. I don't think the army should ever ask someone's sexual orientation and neither should people go around disclosing it. Should we also then allow heterosexual males to bunk and shower with women in the army?
    Should someone in the military be able to bring their spouse/partner to a base party? Additionally, when people work together, they get to know each other and this often involves basic personal information such as marital status, kids, etc. Should only heterosexual people be able to engage in this behavior?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Pal, selecting a personal owie to focus on while ignoring the upper cut to your posts doesn't work.
    Dishonesty is not acceptable.

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    I used your own link to trash your "facts." What more do you need to see your stumbles? Address the "irrelevent stuff" or shut up.
    The rest was also untrue and it did not disprove what I stated. It was not much more than some attacks on me.

    The government report said that statistically the changes in discharges were not relevant, period.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    The military has experienced far more radical changes during conditions of higher social animosity and it's done fine. I see no reason to keep DADT around.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The military has experienced far more radical changes during conditions of higher social animosity and it's done fine. I see no reason to keep DADT around.
    Soldiers adjust pretty well when told to do so. It will be less trouble than many think IMHO.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The military has experienced far more radical changes during conditions of higher social animosity and it's done fine. I see no reason to keep DADT around.
    DADT was a mistake. "Gays on the military" was an issue attacked prematurely by a President who had spent less than one day in uniform (meaning 0). DADT needs to go. Moving on with social change is what the military has always spear headed for the American society. Gays has been the exception. There is no sense in fighting it, which is what the Pentagon has agreed to unofficially.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The rest was also untrue and it did not disprove what I stated. It was not much more than some attacks on me.
    Which is why you ran as fast as possible to avoid.
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    The government report said that statistically the changes in discharges were not relevant, period.
    Your own link stated the exact opposite. Let me state this again..."YOUR OWN LINK." And the unfortunate thing here for you is that everyone that clicked on your own link and read it recognizes that. Move on. You invented an argument that didn't pan out.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Soldiers adjust pretty well when told to do so. It will be less trouble than many think IMHO.
    You are right. The anti-gay crowd have this Hollywood stereotype about gays running through their heads while the "Parade" organizers have their simpleton stage. But should the military command prepare to make it as smooth as possible or just roll the dice and react? The Pentagon Study is about exposing all the factors so that preparation can be made. Does this not fit the gay and non-gay concerns?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    MSgt, could you go over a few specific obstacles the military is facing with implementing gays serving openly? I'm curious as to what specific problems the military foresees and what real solutions they are coming up with.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    DADT was a mistake. "Gays on the military" was an issue attacked prematurely by a President who had spent less than one day in uniform (meaning 0). DADT needs to go. Moving on with social change is what the military has always spear headed for the American society. Gays has been the exception. There is no sense in fighting it, which is what the Pentagon has agreed to unofficially.
    DADT was simply one more act in the years of bigoted policy the military had towards gays and bisexuals. Do not forget that before Clinton, Reagan had made it a top priority in his fight against homosexuality to declare gays as 'incompatible with the military'. Gays and bisexuals were being discharged from the military long before Clinton signed it as 'official' policy. It's not even fair to blame it on Reagan because before him the military had been discharging people under different Presidents. 'Blue discharges' they were called. What Clinton should be blamed for is going back on his word of allowing people to serve regardless of their orientation. DADT was not a compromise. It was a slap in the face.
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