View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A strait person can talk bout their significant other, bring them to command functions, introduce them to people, and so on. A gay person cannot even be seen in public holding hands with their significant other.
    That's just a sacrifice they will have to take if they want to serve. On the flip side, should heterosexuals have to shower and bunk with someone who is attracted to them sexually? It would be the same as having males and females showering and bunking together. I don't like that homosexuals can't bring their partners to functions or talk about them, but it's just a sacrifice that must be made for the greater good.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No one has to pretend to be heterosexual, they don't have to go around having sex with women or talking about girls. They just have to put sex aside and serve there country. What about the heterosexual men that would be uncomfortable with a homosexual showering with them and bunking with them? I support homosexuals being allowed to serve, but I also think they should not disclose their sexual orientation nor should they be asked about it. One's orientation is irrelevant to military service.
    One's sexuality doesn't have anything to do with their military service. But we shouldn't be so naive to pretend that it doesn't come up. LGBT people in the military shouldn't have to announce it to everyone, but if asked they should be able to be honest, and not scared that their sexuality will be something that may jeopardize their ability to serve in the military.

    Also about the people who would be uncomfortable showering, and bunking with homosexuals, the answer is that they need to get over it. It's nothing that the homosexuals should be ashamed of, and it's not their problem. It's the problem of the people who are uncomfortable, and they need to get over it.

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    The problem people fail to look at is that it will create divisiveness amongst units, especially in combat arms where only men are allowed to serve, and often have to share hygiene facilities.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    That's just a sacrifice they will have to take if they want to serve. On the flip side, should heterosexuals have to shower and bunk with someone who is attracted to them sexually? It would be the same as having males and females showering and bunking together. I don't like that homosexuals can't bring their partners to functions or talk about them, but it's just a sacrifice that must be made for the greater good.
    Thjere is a difference between thoughts and actions. Thinking "oh, that person looks good" is fine, acting on it in an inapropriate manner is not, and there are rules already in place to handle this outside DADT.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Sure. I don't think the army should ever ask someone's sexual orientation and neither should people go around disclosing it.
    So, if a heterosexual DOES disclose his sexual orientation, shall he be discharged?


    Should we also then allow heterosexual males to bunk and shower with women in the army?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No one has to pretend to be heterosexual, they don't have to go around having sex with women or talking about girls. They just have to put sex aside and serve there country. What about the heterosexual men that would be uncomfortable with a homosexual showering with them and bunking with them? I support homosexuals being allowed to serve, but I also think they should not disclose their sexual orientation nor should they be asked about it. One's orientation is irrelevant to military service.
    I agree with in a sense. The difference though is that within the military, your personal life often cannot be off base, so this is a different situation. At a regular job situation, I think what you post applies perfectly.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The problem people fail to look at is that it will create divisiveness amongst units, especially in combat arms where only men are allowed to serve, and often have to share hygiene facilities.
    That is just not true. I was in Armor and Air Defense Artillery for years. Both are a combat MOS. We had gay men in a few of the units I deployed with. It was kept quiet, but it proved to be no problem for anyone. A few got discharged, and we lost good people because of it including a damn good commander. It is simply a shame.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    That's just a sacrifice they will have to take if they want to serve.
    This is the entire problem with your position. It becomes hypocritical at this point for you to say that sexual orientation should not be an issue. Your comment demonstrates that you SEE it as an issue.

    On the flip side, should heterosexuals have to shower and bunk with someone who is attracted to them sexually? It would be the same as having males and females showering and bunking together. I don't like that homosexuals can't bring their partners to functions or talk about them, but it's just a sacrifice that must be made for the greater good.
    There is no "greater good" here. This is just hypocrisy on your part. If sexual orientation should not be an issue in the military, how can you justify it being OK for a heterosexual to bring their partners to funcitons, and not homosexuals?

    And as far as your comment in regards to a homosexual being attracted to a heterosexual, are you sexually attracted to each and every female you see? Where do you get the notion that every homosexual is attracted to every heterosexual of the same sex?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Thjere is a difference between thoughts and actions. Thinking "oh, that person looks good" is fine, acting on it in an inapropriate manner is not, and there are rules already in place to handle this outside DADT.
    So we should allow men to shower and bunk with women? They might think it, but as long as they don't do anything is it ok? It's not just about if homosexuals will do something or not, it's about how other soldiers feel. It's not right to have many heterosexuals feel uncomfortable by being forced to shower and bunk with someone they know is openly gay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    One's sexuality doesn't have anything to do with their military service. But we shouldn't be so naive to pretend that it doesn't come up. LGBT people in the military shouldn't have to announce it to everyone, but if asked they should be able to be honest, and not scared that their sexuality will be something that may jeopardize their ability to serve in the military.

    Also about the people who would be uncomfortable showering, and bunking with homosexuals, the answer is that they need to get over it. It's nothing that the homosexuals should be ashamed of, and it's not their problem. It's the problem of the people who are uncomfortable, and they need to get over it.
    So hetero soldiers should just "get over it?" Should I be allowed to jump into a female showering facility and bathe with them and say to them to just "get over it"? That isn't right. I am not anti-homosexuals and I feel that they should be allowed to serve. However, I think DADT is a good and necessary thing so that heteros won't feel violated and homosexuals can still serve.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post

    And as far as your comment in regards to a homosexual being attracted to a heterosexual, are you sexually attracted to each and every female you see? Where do you get the notion that every homosexual is attracted to every heterosexual of the same sex?
    Also to elaborate on this, even if a homosexual thought someone they were bunking with was attractive do you not think that they would have the self control to not go after them? Especially if they know that they are heterosexual.

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