View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, do it now

    79 36.41%
  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

    104 47.93%
  • Other, please explain

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Thread: Gays in the Military

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you would have no problem with coed showers and rooms in the military?
    The percentage of rapes and sexual assaults may catch the eye of "Mothers of America."

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since it looks like either this year or early next DADT will almost certainly be repealed, and the latest polling shows over 70 % support for allowing gays to serve openly, it's time to ask the basic question. Do you think the law should be changed so gays can serve openly in the military?
    Oh my GOD no - they might spread their icky filth.
    I might catch 'gay' and become it!

    LOL - kidding. Of course I support them serving without harassment and so on, so forth.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No they are not. Are you trying to say that straight people can not control themselves when they are around the opposite sex in the shower or same room? Straight me are sexually attracted to women just as much as gay and bisexual men are sexually attracted to men.
    What I said is that these are two different topics and I see what your doing as a diversion tactic.
    Although, I do think co-ed showering would make an interesting thread.
    I just don't think it's on topic here.


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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is not a seperate issue. Heterosexuals are sexually attracted to the opposite gender, gays are sexually attracted to the same sex. A gay man showering with other men would be no different than me showering with a bunch of women.
    This is one of the concerns. I don't know why people argue and pretend that it is different. The only way this isn't true is if gays aren't sexual beings. Well, if they are supposed to be like everybody else, then.... they.... are.... like.... everybody.... else.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    There it is. Showering has little to do with anything. As I already said we have been showering with other men since high school. Made no difference gay or not. I guess expecting solders to be more professional than high schoolers is asking to much?

    This also had little to do with most of my post.
    It affects the comfort level between soldiers, whether there is a real problem or its all in their head. It also makes people distrustful of one another. If you can't trust someone in combat, you might end up with problems when it comes to a combat mission.

    While I agree that gays should be able to serve and not have to hide who they are, I don't think it will work too well in a combat unit. Support units? Sure.

    Until society as a whole is more accepting of gays, I don't think we should be forcing this change on the soldiers when they might not be ready for it. It might create more resentment and anger/backlash than if we waited until it was more widely accepted.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    What I said is that these are two different topics and I see what your doing as a diversion tactic.
    Although, I do think co-ed showering would make an interesting thread.
    I just don't think it's on topic here.
    They are not two different topics. Nor is its a diversion tactic as you and others falsely claim. How are you going to say its not the same thing when the military has gang latrines,showers and room sharing with low ranking soldiers,marines and sailors?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This is one of the concerns. I don't know why people argue and pretend that it is different. The only way this isn't true is if gays aren't sexual beings. Well, if they are supposed to be like everybody else, then.... they.... are.... like.... everybody.... else.
    It is a different topic. Boys grow up showing with boys and girls grow up showering with girls. Never the twain shall meet. I would have no hesitation in showering with a room full of lesbians. They're all girls, just like me.

    Asking a woman to shower with a man is not the same thing.


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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As I already said; we have been showering with other men since high school. Made no difference gay or not. I guess expecting solders to be more professional than high schoolers is asking to much?
    As Ive said, openly gay? Knowingly gay? There is difference between reality and what other people perceive.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    All I can say is wow, degrading homosexual men to nothing more than "meat gazzers". Really?

    Like I've said before, if someone being openly homosexual is a problem to someone in the unit. It is not the homosexuals problem, it is the person who is uncomfortable. They need to get over their irrational homophobia, and be professionals. If they can't get over it, then they are the one causing the problem, and should be discharged.
    If males openly sharing bunks and showers and toilet areas with females is a problem to the female, it is the female's problem. They need to get over their irrational male-o-phobia and be professionals. If they can't get over it, then they are the one causing the problem and should be discharged.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    It affects the comfort level between soldiers, whether there is a real problem or its all in their head. It also makes people distrustful of one another. If you can't trust someone in combat, you might end up with problems when it comes to a combat mission.

    While I agree that gays should be able to serve and not have to hide who they are, I don't think it will work too well in a combat unit. Support units? Sure.

    Until society as a whole is more accepting of gays, I don't think we should be forcing this change on the soldiers when they might not be ready for it. It might create more resentment and anger/backlash than if we waited until it was more widely accepted.
    Wouldn't distrust come with having to hide it, and lie about it? I would rather have people be able to be out in the open, than have to hide it, and have rumors about people spreading. The fact is that true acceptance of others, and having shared experience's bring unity. Also, why would someone being gay bring distrust about them? This fallacy that all gay people can't wait to get in the shower with heterosexuals so they can gawk at them is nonsense. Being truthful is the best policy, and allowing gays to openly serve, will not only help our military, but our society as a whole.

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