View Poll Results: Should the law be changed so that gays can serve openly in the military.

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  • Yes, do it now

    79 36.41%
  • Yes, but after the Pentagon completes it study on the issue

    11 5.07%
  • No, do not change the law

    14 6.45%
  • No, DADT should be repealed and gays not allowed to serve at all

    104 47.93%
  • Other, please explain

    9 4.15%
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I can't back that up with evidence since one would not be able to find statistics that seperate gays and straights in the Israeli military.
    It's simply a feeling I personally hold.
    I have no problem with it being your opinion. It's just that you stated it as fact, and it is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Basically speaking however that statement cannot be false, since most recruits in general don't go to combat roles in the IDF, so the statement about gays is a private situation of that general statement.
    Then it makes no difference to the discussion at all. Because it affects everyone equally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    By the way I've just recalled that there was a movie in Israel about gays in the military, called Yossi & Jagger.
    You can look it up if you feel the need to research.
    Here's the imdb page :Yossi & Jagger (2002)
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    I've just checked it out with a friend; apparently in the IDF homosexuals that feel uncomfortable are allowed to ask their unit's commander, who is committed to secrecy by the IDF law, for special shower times, and apparently that's very common.

    Besides that there's nothing stopping a gay person from showering with his own sex.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The only reason why back then it did not make a difference is because you did not know know if the guy showering next to you was a meat gazer. With DADT it was a not a issue because some meat gazer lustfully checking you out in the shower would get him kicked out. If you had a daughter would want her to shower with random guys and share the same room with random guys?
    All I can say is wow, degrading homosexual men to nothing more than "meat gazzers". Really?

    Like I've said before, if someone being openly homosexual is a problem to someone in the unit. It is not the homosexuals problem, it is the person who is uncomfortable. They need to get over their irrational homophobia, and be professionals. If they can't get over it, then they are the one causing the problem, and should be discharged.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is very much my feeling. Why is it the fault of the gays that some people might feel uncomfortable?
    no different than blaming a black guy because some racist white might not want him in the same platoon.

    I went to a college that had lots of gays. Sure there were a few that hung out in the varsity locker facility steam room but the vast majority of gay guys were respectfully. They wouldn't leer at you or ogle you just like when my suitemate's oh so hot girlfriend was spending the night in his room we didn't hit on her or ogle her when she used the bathroom or took a shower. We all treated her like our sister not the stunning ballerina with a body to die for (our suitemate was a gymnast and dancer --they were a great pair)



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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The only reason why back then it did not make a difference is because you did not know know if the guy showering next to you was a meat gazer.
    Meat gazer?

    Plenty of gay high school students have showered with no issues in the last 30 years and were openly gay in many schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    With DADT it was a not a issue because some meat gazer lustfully checking you out in the shower would get him kicked out.
    Stereo type much?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you had a daughter would want her to shower with random guys and share the same room with random guys?
    Fallacy having no merit and adding nothing to this discussion at all.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I've just checked it out with a friend; apparently in the IDF homosexuals that feel uncomfortable are allowed to ask their unit's commander, who is committed to secrecy by the IDF law, for special shower times, and apparently that's very common.

    Besides that there's nothing stopping a gay person from showering with his own sex.
    Thank you for the information.
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since it looks like either this year or early next DADT will almost certainly be repealed, and the latest polling shows over 70 % support for allowing gays to serve openly, it's time to ask the basic question. Do you think the law should be changed so gays can serve openly in the military?
    Absolutely.

    I'm glad to see it's finally about to happen.



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    Re: Gays in the Military

    I personally don't have an issue with it.

    I'd feel better if this issue waited for the Pentagon to finish studying it; if there is little likelihood of it impacting general military readiness and the ranks will accept it, fine, go ahead.

    All I'd say is that to me, the military's Job Number One is to be ready and able to fight wars with efficiency and effectiveness. Being fair, just, PC and equitable to all, is a priority that is FAR down the line. This isn't a college dorm, it is the sword arm of our nation. I just want us to be sure we are not going to blunt that weapon in the name of social change.

    If the troops and the Pentagon are okay with it, I have no objections.

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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Plenty of gay high school students have showered with no issues in the last 30 years and were openly gay in many schools.
    At what high schools? The ones in San Fransisco and Massachusetts? No offense but wasn't the last time you were in high school was the 1950s or 1960s? So how would you know what went on in the high schools or high school locker rooms in the last 30 years?



    Fallacy having no merit and adding nothing to this discussion at all.

    How would a coed shower and coed room sharing be different than heterosexuals and gays showering and sharing rooms together?
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    Re: Gays in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post

    How would a coed shower and coed room sharing be different than heterosexuals and gays showering and sharing rooms together?

    A co-ed shower?
    You're comparing a bar of soap to a wheat thin. Those are two entirely different topics.


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