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Thread: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It is unfounded until you can back it up and it is clearly known, than it should be easy to do so. I am at your mercy.



    It appears to be about the same as it was 40 years ago, but surely you are not discounting economic development, gobalism, and the rise of europe and asia during that time.

    Anyway, it looks like I am not going to get anything out of you. Good night.
    in other words, trillions spent-not much accomplished.



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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in other words, trillions spent-not much accomplished.
    I agree, just handing people money is not going to accomplish anything, but there are other forms of entitlements, such as tech school. In the end, I personally believe that there are people who cannot be helped because they do not want to be. The best we can do with those guys is to make sure they do not cause problems for others. However, if someone is trying to make their life better and is giving honest effort, I have no qualms about taxing those who are better for to provide them with that opportunity.

    Also, I just like the texture of Tilapia. I am big on texture when it comes to food.
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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I agree, just handing people money is not going to accomplish anything, but there are other forms of entitlements, such as tech school. In the end, I personally believe that there are people who cannot be helped because they do not want to be. The best we can do with those guys is to make sure they do not cause problems for others. However, if someone is trying to make their life better and is giving honest effort, I have no qualms about taxing those who are better for to provide them with that opportunity.

    Also, I just like the texture of Tilapia. I am big on texture when it comes to food.
    cool, swordfish is my favorite and the texture rocks.

    I think those who pay more taxes should be entitled to additional votes



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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    cool, swordfish is my favorite and the texture rocks.

    I think those who pay more taxes should be entitled to additional votes
    I think the flavor of swordfish is too strong and "fishy"

    Several people have stated that about the vote thing.

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    The best way to help the poor is to give them work opportunities: get rid of the minimum wage.

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The best way to help the poor is to give them work opportunities: get rid of the minimum wage.
    Ok that statement confuses me. You wish to give them opportunity but than you want to take away opportunity?

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Minimum wage does not provide opportunities. By making it illegal to hire below a certain wage, it ensures that certain people with little to no experience will not be hired.

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok that statement confuses me. You wish to give them opportunity but than you want to take away opportunity?
    no contradiction

    many people-especially new workers or younger ones are not worth per hour the minimum wage so a business loses money by hiring them and they lose opportunity

    I love people saying you cannot raise a family on minimum wage (you cannot buy a mercedes on it either)

    most of us got minimum wage jobs out of the way in HS or college. I worked at a law firm for 5 bucks an hour while in College just to decide if I wanted to invest three years and 45K (then) to go to law school

    but I also got experience that was valuable when I applied to big law firms for big salaries a few years later.



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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Do you agree with this statement:

    That you have a freedom in no way means you are entitled to the means necessary to exercise said freedom.

    Why or why not?
    Your question is not clear. Let me explain what freedom is:

    You have certain unalienable natural rights regarding life, liberty, and property.

    You have a right to do things for yourself and use your own property. You have a right to live, travel, buy, sell, own, use, and defend your property.

    You do NOT have a right to the lives or property of others, or the fruits of their labor. You do NOT have a right to force others to provide things for you--i.e. welfare, education, housing, food, medical care, etc., which is a form of slavery.

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