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Thread: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Nope, it demonstrates that there are cases where even natural rights need overt action from government and the community.



    Personally, I think natural rights are a pretty good concept, but they need to be balanced with practical needs for a functional society.
    why don't you call them what they are
    entitlements
    handouts
    pandering
    welfare

    why do you all want to make entitlements look less odious by calling them rights?



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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Depends if the means to exercise the freedoms can be reasonably procured. If they cannot, they must be provided,
    Why? What creates this entitlement?
    Whose responsibility it is to provide that means? How?
    Is isaid entitelemtn wholesale and plenary, regarding all rights, or just some?
    On what basis do you make that determination?

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't. It only increases dependency and the left has proven it wants to expand the needy so as to get more votes
    Please cite this "proof" from the left.

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Please cite this "proof" from the left.
    easy

    its like a crime scene

    the first thing asked is Who has a motive

    what party gains?



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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why don't you call them what they are
    entitlements
    handouts
    pandering
    welfare

    why do you all want to make entitlements look less odious by calling them rights?
    They are handouts and they are rights. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    easy

    its like a crime scene

    the first thing asked is Who has a motive

    what party gains?
    Those are leading questions, not proof.

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    They are handouts and they are rights. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    not to a socialist

    to me there is a clear difference



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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not to a socialist

    to me there is a clear difference
    Buzz words don't work on me.

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't. It only increases dependency and the left has proven it wants to expand the needy so as to get more votes
    Well, I think there are other ways to supply a social minimum that do not require dependancy. For example, requiring work or work training for most welfare benefits. Or maybe an earned income tax credit. Give people help so they can grow and become completely self dependent.

    I don't care about the votes. I just think it is something we should do.
    Last edited by drz-400; 05-26-10 at 10:28 PM.

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    Re: Freedom = Entitlement to means?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Those are leading questions, not proof.
    what party benefits?



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