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Thread: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

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    Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Alright, three Hypothetical situations, lets put it all out there.

    Hypothetical 1: A school history text book is being created. Every President is listed by his full legal name whenever mentioned, both in the reading and in the index that lists all the Presidents and their number/picture. Should "Barack Hussein Obama" be used wherever he's mentioned or not?


    Hypothetical 2: A school history text book is being created. Every President is listed only by his chosen commonly used name wherever mentioned, both in the reading and in the index that lists all Presidents and their number/picture. Should "Barack Hussein Obama" be used wherever he's mentioned or not?


    Hypothetical 3: A school history text book is being created. Every President is listed with his full legal name in the index of Presidents, however within the text is refered to by thier commonly used name. Should "Barack Hussein Obama" be used in the index? Should it be used in the text?


    For the sake of this thread "Commonly used name" is the name the President generally goes by himself, and can include shortened names (Bill instead of William) and initials (FDR, JFK, LBJ).

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Is something strange going down with Obama in texts books? The answer to the hypothetical seems rather clear. Whatever the standard the book is using for all President's names is what Obama is referred to as.
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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Is something strange going down with Obama in texts books? The answer to the hypothetical seems rather clear. Whatever the standard the book is using for all President's names is what Obama is referred to as.
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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    I'm pretty confused by the question. Seems to be a no-brainer. Why would we treat Obama differently than other presidents in the textbooks?

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Apparently a text book in Texas was going to use his middle name throughout it. There was some disagreements on this. There's no concrete information as to how other presidents were refered to, save for peoples memories of schools and a general academic standard for referencing people, so thus the three potential hypotheticals.

    Essentially I'm curious if the uproar is for uproars sake because people regarding the texas situation just don't know what the text book status is for other Presidents so are just arguing based on their assumption which may be different than others, or if there are people on either side that just want it used no matter what or just don't want it used no matter what.

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    The answer to the hypotheticals is, as every one pointed out, obvious. In the Texas thing you point out, it depends on which of the scenarios it is.
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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Hey, Hussein's the boys' middle name.

    That's it.

    It's wonderful watching the Propaganda Meister Democrats getting their knickers in a wad over the idea that someone might actually put the first half-black president's full name in an American history textbook.

    It's just more evidence of the life of lies and denial they lead, and conclusive proof that they should not be allowed within 20000 feet of any school, pre-school, playground, or public park.

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hey, Hussein's the boys' middle name.

    That's it.

    It's wonderful watching the Propaganda Meister Democrats getting their knickers in a wad over the idea that someone might actually put the first half-black president's full name in an American history textbook.

    It's just more evidence of the life of lies and denial they lead, and conclusive proof that they should not be allowed within 20000 feet of any school, pre-school, playground, or public park.
    See, here's the thing...

    JUST watching the media, both "conservative" and "liberal", on one hand it seems like Democrats are upset that his full name would be in a text book while Conservatives want it in there no matter what.

    At least from what little I can tell from here, completely unscientifically, thus far the liberals and conservatives at DP are being unanimous. Treat Obama like every other President.

    Really hoping to see more people vote. Its nice clearing up misconceptions, potentially on both sides.

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hey, Hussein's the boys' middle name.

    That's it.

    It's wonderful watching the Propaganda Meister Democrats getting their knickers in a wad over the idea that someone might actually put the first half-black president's full name in an American history textbook.

    It's just more evidence of the life of lies and denial they lead, and conclusive proof that they should not be allowed within 20000 feet of any school, pre-school, playground, or public park.
    The reason is because something that we don't like to talk about in polite company. Liberals fear that the word hussein, being middle eastern, can be used in identity politics.

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Is something strange going down with Obama in texts books? The answer to the hypothetical seems rather clear. Whatever the standard the book is using for all President's names is what Obama is referred to as.
    I think, what the opening poster is asking is whether Barack Obama or Barack Hussein Obamas mother should also be recognised in the text book name, as one of the contributers to his genetic make up and/or her involvement in his parenting.

    This whole naming convention that was created by the ancient Romans was designed to remove or give identity and importance to those who were considered important in Roman society. The more 'important' citizens were given more of a name. Often, in ancient Rome, all the daugthers of a family even had the same first name, with the fathers sir name as the second name.

    Umm! I just read that Hussein is not his mothers name. It is simply one of his first namea. I dont think it matters what text books call him, as long at they call him what he wants to be called. Apparently, there is contraversy about the name Hussein, as it is apparently associated with Islam. Well, as far as I can see, it is just a name. I am not a fan of any religion, but I dont think it matters if somebody has the same name as a character in the bible, for example.

    I personally would like to see an end to the naming convention which gives more status to males altogether, but ending it would be as complicated as ending Christmas being called Christmas. Even many of those who abhorr Christianity call it Christmas.

    I am not going to choose one of the poll options, because I do not know what should be done.

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