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Thread: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well apparently conservatives so far DON'T want it tossed in there to make kiddies think he is an Evil Muslim.

    As well though, liberals so far DON'T want it kept out to "hide the truth" that his middle name is Hussein.

    I'm really interested in a few of the birther's to vote though, and a certian vet.
    Personally I think what you have demonstrated in this thread is that people will change what they say when they are in being scrutinized. I really don't think there is much truth or honesty to be found here.

    I wonder if you would have gotten different results if you had made the poll anonymous.

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    It'd be interesting, but I don't actually think so.

    In two parts really...

    One, I really do think that most that talk about the name in the text book thing are doing it with a certian preconcieved notion of what's "normal" for a text book that fits their preconcieved notion of what they want, even if its a subconsious assumption. By that I mean either consiously or subconsiously I think some Conservatives are assuming books have the presidents full names in them so they want Obama's in and think that's okay and that some Liberals are assuming the books have the President's common names in them so they don't want it.

    I do think the majority of people on both sides would have no issue with consistancy and when faced with that directly would say such. The issue is so often when these things are discussed that bit of context isn't given so its left to everyones own internal assumptions through their consious or subconsious mind.

    I also think there's probably people, on both sides, that may end up seeing this...knowing they would vote differently...and avoid it, I do give you that. Maybe I should've done anonymous and could always try a sister poll to this out soon and see how it turns up.

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It'd be interesting, but I don't actually think so.

    In two parts really...

    One, I really do think that most that talk about the name in the text book thing are doing it with a certian preconcieved notion of what's "normal" for a text book that fits their preconcieved notion of what they want, even if its a subconsious assumption. By that I mean either consiously or subconsiously I think some Conservatives are assuming books have the presidents full names in them so they want Obama's in and think that's okay and that some Liberals are assuming the books have the President's common names in them so they don't want it.

    I do think the majority of people on both sides would have no issue with consistancy and when faced with that directly would say such. The issue is so often when these things are discussed that bit of context isn't given so its left to everyones own internal assumptions through their consious or subconsious mind.
    Fair enough. I had no considered the possibility that in a person's respective circle they use different phrasings making normal different between groups. In reassessing, I may have made the same mistake I suspected others of making. My own (not so much political but language) bias I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I also think there's probably people, on both sides, that may end up seeing this...knowing they would vote differently...and avoid it, I do give you that. Maybe I should've done anonymous and could always try a sister poll to this out soon and see how it turns up.
    It would be interesting to see if there was a difference.
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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The reason is because something that we don't like to talk about in polite company. Liberals fear that the word hussein, being middle eastern, can be used in identity politics.
    No, that's not it at all.

    If you use the complete name everywhere, then use the complete name everywhere. If you use first and last name, use first and last name.

    Most conservatives who use his middle name use it only to point out that it doesn't sound typically American. So it's conservatives playing identity politics.

    It's his middle name and should be used if that's the standard. He used it in his inauguration as all presidents before him. Utterly appropriate.

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    No, that's not it at all.

    If you use the complete name everywhere, then use the complete name everywhere. If you use first and last name, use first and last name.

    Most conservatives who use his middle name use it only to point out that it doesn't sound typically American. So it's conservatives playing identity politics.

    It's his middle name and should be used if that's the standard. He used it in his inauguration as all presidents before him. Utterly appropriate.
    You said what I was trying to say. I think you did it better though.

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I'm pretty confused by the question. Seems to be a no-brainer. Why would we treat Obama differently than other presidents in the textbooks?
    I'm like you, questions not clear...wouldn't his name be Barak Barry Soetoro Hussein O'bama
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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Barack Obama should be mentioned in the same way as everyone else. There is nothing special about him that warrants special treatment. I think the most logical thing to do when writing about someone is to use the name they are most commonly known under, for instance it would be strange and a little confusing if textbooks talked about "William Jefferson Clinton".

    The entire "controversy" about Barack Obama's middle name seems to be nothing than some extreme conservatives who want to have people think that he is a "dangerous muslim".
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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Thank God that the Scarecrow is not writing the textbooks in Pennslyvania or New York..
    But, I fear that he is writing in the more backward states.
    Its (the scarecrow) blatant and open hostility and disrespect is obvious, even to me.
    In Texas, the hatred of our President is much more subtle.
    I feel that this is a honesty problem; the racists are afraid of owning up to their humanity...
    That they are not honest with themselves nor others.

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    Re: Hypothetical Situation: Textbooks and Middle Name

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    LBJ took the IRT
    down to 4th street USA
    When he got there, what did he see?
    The youth of America on LSD.

    LBJ, IRT
    USA, LSD

    LSD, LBJ
    FBI, CIA

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    And Harry S Truman feared that his "missing" middle name would lower his standing within our power elite (snobs, all).
    Ignorance and fear, the snobs being the ignorant ones.
    Now this "problem" arises again, with BO, not to be confused with BO Plenty..

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