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Thread: Ideology and the brain

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    Re: Ideology and the brain

    I would lean towards 0% being nature, and 100% being nurture...

    There is perhaps a small percentage that is natural, but I personally don't think it is all that hard to overcome - if it even exists.
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    Re: Ideology and the brain

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Nature vs Nurture debate.

    Is your ideology something inborn or learned? In your opinion of course.
    Learned, inborn, influence from your world and life experiences.

    There's no particular number that denotes what's what - for one person it might be 100% based on life experiences. For someone else it might be purely from how they were raised, etc etc.
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    Re: Ideology and the brain

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The only logical conclusion: we don't know. I'm looking for that option.

    For instance, DNA may induce sympathy, or outrage at certain issues which could persuade our idelogical beliefs.

    Also important to note is epigenetics which we are not born with, but controls protein expression and could also have impact on our ideologies. So like I said, impossible to know.
    All those things you mentioned are learned behavior. Chemistry could play a part in it, but I don't know what or how.

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    Re: Ideology and the brain

    I think that it is a mix of both,as far as mental predisposition towards a set ideology, people are predisposed to different modes thinking, some are more left brained, some are more right brained. Some minds work better with abstract, some better with hard factual evidence, some are more emotional, some are more logical. Some people are more individualistic, others more social. . Brain chemistry could also have an impact as well, for example some brains could be more wired to be empathetic than others. These all could potentially have an impact on ideology.

    My personal anecdotal evidence on the subject: I was adopted, although I was less than a month old at the time. My ideology is uniquely my own, and is in staunch contrast to my parents, most notably to my fathers.

    Despite being raised and being taught a certain mindset, and attempts to steer my mind towards his world outlook, it did not take, nor would it have ever, my mind is not wired the same as his and as has been demonstrated repeatedly over the course of my lifetime we inevitably will reach polar opposite conclusions or stances given the same sets of data. I am quite confident that a significantly large reason behind the ideological differences between my father and I are not a result of learning, nor life experience, but rather a result of us not being genetically related, and the dissimilar way in which our minds function is a result of this.

    I do not think there is a one size fits all answer here, different people will take different routes in developing their worldviews. Some may be more influenced by mental processes, for others it may be more dominated by a learned response.
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    Re: Ideology and the brain

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    People who are saying it's 100% either are just plain wrong. Genes affect a person in so many different ways it's impossible for them to not affect ideology in some way. Same with the alternative.

    I would personally say that ideology is mostly developed over time, with a hint of genetic influence - maybe 80/20.
    Can you prove how genes affect political leans? I've taken genetics in college and we did learn about genes that can influence behavior, but I don't think there is a "liberal" or "Hindu" gene out there.
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    Re: Ideology and the brain

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Let's just say that I'm skeptical about things I can't prove to myself. Science is only half right in most of their theories. They get an A on effects, but a D on provable causes.

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    Re: Ideology and the brain

    If anyone is interested there is a site that goes in depth exploring the subject, and has numerous articles posted there over the last several years looking at this issue, it is rather fascinating; however it is most certainly not light reading.

    Neuropolitics.org

    One article that I recall from that site that is of interest was "Conservative left brain, Liberal right brain"

    Edit: I initially linked to the wrong articles on the same subject matter, but they were not the particular one that I recalled that discussed people with split brain syndrome (one hemisphere of the brain cut off from the other).

    The correct link is here:
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    Re: Ideology and the brain

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I would lean towards 0% being nature, and 100% being nurture...

    There is perhaps a small percentage that is natural, but I personally don't think it is all that hard to overcome - if it even exists.
    In the sense that everything we know is nurtured (conditioned), I agree, but our body and how it functions has to be natural, just as animals are natural. Somehow I can't see our memories floating around out there without our bodies.

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    Re: Ideology and the brain

    Considering most ideologies today are complete fabrications from within the last 300 years, no I do not think there is a connection between genes and ideology. There is a connection between ideas and the way somebody is brought up but I doubt it's got biological ramifications.
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    Re: Ideology and the brain

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering most ideologies today are complete fabrications from within the last 300 years, no I do not think there is a connection between genes and ideology. There is a connection between ideas and the way somebody is brought up but I doubt it's got biological ramifications.
    Well - some ideologies center around beliefs about marriage (such as who has the right to marry).

    On one hand you might have someone with the ideology that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry.

    On the other hand you might have someone who is gay and believes he should have the right to marry his partner. . . a proponent of gay-marriage might be able to argue that who you're attracted to centers around body-chemistry and pheromones.

    Since pheromones are purely physical, and attraction stems from that, then it might be considered purely natural to be gay and, thus, purely acceptable for gays to marry.

    Thus - one's physical makeup might affect their ideology.

    OR - another example could be that one's personality affects what they do and don't believe.

    If someone is, say, by their nature an understanding and non-aggressive person then they wouldn't align their self with an ideology that challenges authority or centers around illegal activities.

    And on I could go - physical differences and deformities might affect how one feels they measure up. One's gender or race might strongly deter them from aligning with ideologies that are prejudice or racist, sexist . . . and so on.

    I think you have to dig a bit deeper to figure out which ones might come from or be affected by genetic makeup and personality, but they're there.
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