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    Fascism: Would it work.

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    Hi everyone. I am a history and economics major at my college and throughout the course of my studies I learned a lot about different economic and political systems, and one that I was always found really interesting was fascism. I know that typically people like to talk bad about fascism because of Hitler and Mussolini, but I got to thinking that besides those two bad apples, this system might have something to it.

    Fascism basically offers an alternative to both laisse-faire capitalism and socialism. It offers a system based off the concept of "corporatism". Basically, it implies that the state will take a guiding hand in the economy through making corporate-state partnerships, something that is not all that uncommon today.

    Fascism also offers a society built on the cultural norms of the nation, as well as a strong devotion to nationalism and the military.

    So, I want to know what you think. Is fascism a workable system?

    Note: Just for the record I am not a Nazi, nor am I defending the atrocities of the third Reich and other fascists.
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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    I don't think your question should be whether or not 'Fascism' would work but who it would work for. Under Pinochet, Chile tried its had at fascism and they only seemed to benefit the people at the top. A large percentage of Chileans remained slum dwellers who banded in cooperatives. Whether or not an economic system works is dependent on how many people can actually benefit from it. Considering the fact that on average the only ones who seem to benefit from Fascism the most are those in charge [i.e. the government] then no, I do not think 'Fascism' works.
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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Historically I've seen fascism be amongst the most successful forms of governing and tackling an economy. Most of the reason it didn't do wonders for Chile at that time was because it was still reeling from the catastrophic damage Allende did under his Marxist reign of terror. When you suffer hyperinflation to the point where your money literally isn't worth the paper it's written on overnight, a fix is not in your near future.

    Germany under the Third Reich was very prosperous, as was Italy (although not nearly as much). I'd even argue that Spain under Franco didn't do too bad either.

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    That's not true at all Hautey. Chile under Pinochet didn't have fascism, they had laisse-faire capitalism with a dictator. Fascism is system that benefits the workers and the state. If you look at Germany under Hitler for example, you'll see that for the most part it did very well economically, the only bad part was the wars. In fact, much of the new deal was modeled after fascist Italy, as was Winston Churchill in England
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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Fascism would work, just not for the Jews.

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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Any governmental system can work, given perfect conditions. But only a few can work well without those perfect conditions. Fascism, along with Communism, works only in perfect worlds, but people aren't perfect.
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    Fascism would work, just not for the Jews.
    Fascism works for the Jews, just look at Israel.

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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Fascism, along with Communism, works only in perfect worlds, but people aren't perfect.
    I'd argue that fascism doesn't need a 'perfect world' to work because it doesn't have an inbuilt long-term emancipatory goal. Marxism preaches the eventual withering away of the state and the development of a classless society. A priori fascism doesn't really have anything similar. However, fascists have found ways in the past to incorporate a utopian ideal into their ideologies, such as Mussolini's 'New Rome' and Hitler's Final Solution.

    So does fascism 'work'? I'd argue yes, because it can construct a stable and legitimate (if somewhat authoritarian) state in 'ordinary' political contexts, without becoming totalitarian and without inbuilt reference to utopian ideals.
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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Quote Originally Posted by John2.0 View Post
    Default Fascism: Is it a good system

    Hi everyone. I am a history and economics major at my college and throughout the course of my studies I learned a lot about different economic and political systems, and one that I was always found really interesting was fascism. I know that typically people like to talk bad about fascism because of Hitler and Mussolini, but I got to thinking that besides those two bad apples, this system might have something to it.

    Fascism basically offers an alternative to both laisse-faire capitalism and socialism. It offers a system based off the concept of "corporatism". Basically, it implies that the state will take a guiding hand in the economy through making corporate-state partnerships, something that is not all that uncommon today.

    Fascism also offers a society built on the cultural norms of the nation, as well as a strong devotion to nationalism and the military.

    So, I want to know what you think. Is fascism a workable system?

    Note: Just for the record I am not a Nazi, nor am I defending the atrocities of the third Reich and other fascists.
    Last edited by RobMan121 : Today at 05:36 PM.
    Fascism will never work because it is an inherently tyrannical system. It automatically gives preference to one group of people over the opposition. When the opposition is repressed with government support, the people will not bear that government for long. Either the government will imprison or kill the opposition, resulting in a drain of resources, or the opposition will flee to some other country which will benefit from those resources. So, ultimately, no, it can't work.

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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Most of the reason it didn't do wonders for Chile at that time was because it was still reeling from the catastrophic damage Allende did under his Marxist reign of terror. When you suffer hyperinflation to the point where your money literally isn't worth the paper it's written on overnight, a fix is not in your near future.
    This is simply incorrect. If anything Pinochet dove further into socialist policies than Allende by nationalizing a myriad of industries. Ironically he forced policies which made the overall income of Chileans dropped all the while increasing military spending for one of the few countries in Latin America who did not have a history of armed conflict like say Colombia or Venezuela. The damage to the Chilean economy came as a result of a global drop in copper prices, Chile's main export. They rebounded during the late 70s.

    Economy of Chile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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