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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Facism worked for Jews just like anyone else. It was Nazism that didn't work well for Jews. In Facist Italy and Spain, Jews did just fine.
    Every Fascist regime has its own specific "enemy" that is contribiting to what it sees as its communities ultimate decline. That is why the germans killed the jews, they thought they were the ones causing all of their problems. In america we had/have a similar group, though it has never attained power, known as the KKK.

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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

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    Default Fascism: Is it a good system

    Hi everyone. I am a history and economics major at my college and throughout the course of my studies I learned a lot about different economic and political systems, and one that I was always found really interesting was fascism. I know that typically people like to talk bad about fascism because of Hitler and Mussolini, but I got to thinking that besides those two bad apples, this system might have something to it.

    Fascism basically offers an alternative to both laisse-faire capitalism and socialism. It offers a system based off the concept of "corporatism". Basically, it implies that the state will take a guiding hand in the economy through making corporate-state partnerships, something that is not all that uncommon today.

    Fascism also offers a society built on the cultural norms of the nation, as well as a strong devotion to nationalism and the military.

    So, I want to know what you think. Is fascism a workable system?

    Note: Just for the record I am not a Nazi, nor am I defending the atrocities of the third Reich and other fascists.
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    I'm not sure you can truly assign any sort of economic system to fascism in general. Its not any sort of formal political ideology like liberalism or communism, its a form of political behavior. The only economic policy fascists tended to support in general were ones that united the nation towards one single goal, which in every case of mature fascism meant preparing the nation for war. I guess the only thing I would call it would be a command economy, which I think we all know the disadvantages of.

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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Quote Originally Posted by John2.0 View Post
    This might be true, but doesn't necessarily mean that fascism doesn't work. In fact, imprisoning the opposition might be just what the nation needs to get it going again. In many cases, democracy has failed because have fighting in the streets between political parties and riots by anarchists. All these problem eventually being fixed however, by the implementation of a strong fascist state.
    But that's very similar to Legalism used in Asia, and that didn't work either because the punishments for crimes were too harsh. I mean you could make the punishment for jaywalking be life imprisonment, but that won't act as a deterrent. The people will just shrug and jaywalk anyways and accept all the harsher penalties.

    And then what happens when you've got more of the population imprisoned than you do free? It takes manpower and resources to imprison criminals. The more criminals you have, the more of a drain on resources it is. At some point it doesn't become worth it to imprison the people.

    However, if you don't imprison the people who go against the fascist state, you no longer have fascism because those in power can longer rule from the top.

    Thus, fascism doesn't work.

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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    But that's very similar to Legalism used in Asia, and that didn't work either because the punishments for crimes were too harsh. I mean you could make the punishment for jaywalking be life imprisonment, but that won't act as a deterrent. The people will just shrug and jaywalk anyways and accept all the harsher penalties.
    Actually, I believe it was Legalism that ended the era of the warring states in China.

    And then what happens when you've got more of the population imprisoned than you do free? It takes manpower and resources to imprison criminals. The more criminals you have, the more of a drain on resources it is. At some point it doesn't become worth it to imprison the people.
    Banishment, or capital punishment for serious crimes against the state.


    However, if you don't imprison the people who go against the fascist state, you no longer have fascism because those in power can longer rule from the top.
    Many fascist states did the have the support of the majority of the population.

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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Historically I've seen fascism be amongst the most successful forms of governing and tackling an economy. Most of the reason it didn't do wonders for Chile at that time was because it was still reeling from the catastrophic damage Allende did under his Marxist reign of terror. When you suffer hyperinflation to the point where your money literally isn't worth the paper it's written on overnight, a fix is not in your near future.

    Germany under the Third Reich was very prosperous, as was Italy (although not nearly as much). I'd even argue that Spain under Franco didn't do too bad either.
    Actually the economic crisis that Chile had during the Allende years (short period of time) was due to US government policies. Nixon had the US government take policies that caused the Chilean economy to scream.


    From organizing labour unions in Chile to strike, to dumping copper on the world market to hurt Chile's main export the US government under Nixon caused much of the economic problems in Chile during the Allende years


    Do a search on Nixon and Chile using this quote "''make the economy of Chile scream"
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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is simply incorrect. If anything Pinochet dove further into socialist policies than Allende by nationalizing a myriad of industries. Ironically he forced policies which made the overall income of Chileans dropped all the while increasing military spending for one of the few countries in Latin America who did not have a history of armed conflict like say Colombia or Venezuela. The damage to the Chilean economy came as a result of a global drop in copper prices, Chile's main export. They rebounded during the late 70s.

    Economy of Chile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That drop in copper prices was due to the US governemnt selling a large chunk of it strategic reserves to actually hurt the Chilean economy at the time
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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    ''Fascism: Would it work. ''

    I am surprised that somebody would actully ask such a question. Tyranny is universally abhorred, and thus Fascism never did and never would work.



    ''Hitler and Mussolini, but I got to thinking that besides those two bad apples, this system might have something to it.''

    If this is the case, then you surely can name a few good apples for us to consider.



    ''It offers a system based off the concept of "corporatism". Basically, it implies that the state will take a guiding hand in the economy ''

    Is there any example of a fascist nation, that is not or has not been corrupt. Their leaders empty 'their' countries resources like locusts, so the economy fails eventually. Also, there is generally suppressed unrest amongst the citizens who are deprived of their basic needs and rights. This usually periodically errupts in violence, which is then suppressed by killings and torture.



    ''Fascism also offers a society built on the cultural norms of the nation, as well as a strong devotion to nationalism and the military.''

    Fascism forces nationalism on its citizens, whether they agree with it or not. It can hardly be called devotion. And nationalism can be any set of norms or 'values', and not necessarily logical or beneficial. Essentially, nationalism is to some extent pressured onto people in every country by the nationalists of that country, but forced by threat in fascist nations.



    ''Is fascism a workable system?''

    Since you are a history and economic student, I presume you are asking this question to put out feelers for opinions of the general public. You surely know a bit about the problems of fascism already, from your studies?



    ''I don't think your question should be whether or not 'Fascism' would work but who it would work for....Whether or not an economic system works is dependent on how many people can actually benefit from it. ''

    Indeed! That is how it is.

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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Obviously, I believe Fascism can work. People argue the cases of Germany and Italy as failures of Fascist policies, but compare the "failure" of Fascism to the fall of the Soviet Union. The German and Italian States were destroyed by World War II-- defeat at the hands of two superpowers, that were themselves employing Fascist strategies, on two fronts. Without Hitler's madness in declaring war on the United States and the Soviet Union, dragging Italy along with him, Italian Fascism might still be in power today.

    If World War II had ended without the involvement of the United States, an alliance between the US and the Axis Powers could have halted the spread of international Communism in Eastern Europe and Asia.

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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    Quote Originally Posted by John2.0 View Post
    Actually, I believe it was Legalism that ended the era of the warring states in China.
    But it didn't last, and for a reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by John2.0 View Post
    Banishment, or capital punishment for serious crimes against the state.
    If you banish people, you give them the opportunity to group together to make their own state that would then compete with the fascist state for resources. If you use capital punishment, it is still not a deterrent, and thus the drawback of Legalism is still applied to fascist states.

    Quote Originally Posted by John2.0 View Post
    Many fascist states did the have the support of the majority of the population.
    But it does not maintain the support of the majority of the population. And can you really say that after it is implemented, such a fascist state is justified if it banishes or kills anyone who disagrees or is opposed to the government?

    It is also of note that fascism came to the fore as a major political philosophy during a global crisis of the Great Depression. On the other hand, fascist states do not come about during times of peace and prosperity.

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    Re: Fascism: Would it work.

    It depends.

    I suppose it is possible for it to work.

    But any application of it would most likely have to be far different from past examples for me to support it.

    That said, I don't really know much about fascism as an idea.

    Nor do I know much about any fascistic states except Nazi Germany, and there not that much either.

    So I could be incorrect.
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