View Poll Results: Which of the following Libertarian Party Issues do you support(Libertarian only vote)

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  • Laissez Faire capitalism

    31 70.45%
  • End drug prohibition

    42 95.45%
  • avoid interventionism in foreign polic

    29 65.91%
  • End foreign aid

    30 68.18%
  • End gun bans

    37 84.09%
  • Deregulate healthcare

    32 72.73%
  • Semi-amnesty for illegal aliens(work for amnesty)

    15 34.09%
  • End welfare

    30 68.18%
  • Allow opting out of Social Security

    37 84.09%
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    Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    Back many months ago, I started a thread on this, and since we have a bunch of new Libertarian issues, I thought I would revisit it. The basis of the original poll was numerous comments about big "L" Libertarians and little "l" libertarians. Many libertarians here stated they did not align very well with the beliefs of the Libertarian party. So I pulled a series of issues from the Libertarian party website(Issues | Libertarian Party) and asked which of those issues do you agree with. Same deal this time, same issues, which do you personally as a Libertarian or libertarian agree with. If in doubt, please refer to the link above to see the detailed position of the Libertarian party.

    Please, only Libertarians(big or small "L") vote in this poll.

    Link to original thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...an-issues.html

    Please be patient as I add poll options...I type slow.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    If you go with an all or nothing approach, it is the kind of political idea that ensures the Libertarians will ALWAYS have zero legislative presence.

    Encourage capitalism with minimal government intervention and regulation.

    End federal laws involving drug prohibition. Enforce border laws regarding illegal drugs. Allow states to dictate local and state law regarding drug use.

    Avoid interventionism in foreign affairs where possible, while utilizing diplomatic involvement with regard to financial affairs and military options with regard to national security.

    End foreign aid-Im actually very cool with that one.

    End gun bans-Same here. maintain prohibitions on minor and felony firearm ownership and require registration for automatic weapon ownership (if the 'militia' is a justification for military weapon ownership than even the unorganized militia as defined in the US Code ought to be 'ready'). I think things that go 'boom' like RPGs can still be owned if stored in a state armory.

    Deregulate healthcare-Sure...why not. Allow for interstate competition of insurance company and policy.

    Semi-amnesty for illegal aliens(work for amnesty)-Why? Enforce the law of the land. Libertarian ideals dont require abandonement of the rule of law. We have an immigration policy. It should be followed and enforced.

    End federal funding and involvement in 'welfare' programs. Pay off the federal debt. Reduce federal taxes. Allow individual states and local governments to partner with private resources to provide for their citizens social needs.

    Allow opting out of Social Security-I would say allow new employees entering the workforce to opt out with the caveate they forfeit reciept of any and all state provided social services. Allow retiring senior citizens to opt for a one time buyout of their SS benefits which would require forfeiture of all other social services.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    I was hard core libertarian most of my life. Ran Ed Clark's campaign at yale in 80. However there are a few reasons why I don't totally agree with the "party". I see foreign intervention as a necessary prophylactic in some cases. I see funding some foreign governments as a necessary line of defense. And I have issues with some of the purists in the libertarian party who whine about stuff like making taxi cabs have business licenses or people having medical boards in order to practice medicine. However I am clearly in the libertarian wing of the GOP and being agnostic, I tire of the social fascism of the bible thumpers.



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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I was hard core libertarian most of my life. Ran Ed Clark's campaign at yale in 80. However there are a few reasons why I don't totally agree with the "party". I see foreign intervention as a necessary prophylactic in some cases. I see funding some foreign governments as a necessary line of defense. And I have issues with some of the purists in the libertarian party who whine about stuff like making taxi cabs have business licenses or people having medical boards in order to practice medicine. However I am clearly in the libertarian wing of the GOP and being agnostic, I tire of the social fascism of the bible thumpers.
    Thank you for your answer. Can I get you to expand on what you see as the differences between a Libertarian, a Republican, and a Libertarian Republican?

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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Thank you for your answer. Can I get you to expand on what you see as the differences between a Libertarian, a Republican, and a Libertarian Republican?

    Edit: You, the forum did not eat this post!
    I don't think there are definitive answers but I will try to give it my best shot

    A Libertarian is a member of the Libertarian Party. In some states that is a voting designation like GOP or Dems meaning you can vote for the Libertarian candidates in a primary (Cincinnati's 1st District had two libertarians running for the congressional nomination) a Republican is someone who belongs to the party (GOP) or normally votes that way or is registered for Primaries. A Libertarian Republican is someone who supports the candidates in general elections and can vote for GOP primary candidates. a libertarian is not necessarily a member of the party. In other words a Libertarian can be a party member while a libertarian is more a philosopy

    The GOP has several wings-social conservatives, economic freedom advocates, libertarians etc (1 and 2 can have the same people, 1 and 3 is tougher)



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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't think there are definitive answers but I will try to give it my best shot

    A Libertarian is a member of the Libertarian Party. In some states that is a voting designation like GOP or Dems meaning you can vote for the Libertarian candidates in a primary (Cincinnati's 1st District had two libertarians running for the congressional nomination) a Republican is someone who belongs to the party (GOP) or normally votes that way or is registered for Primaries. A Libertarian Republican is someone who supports the candidates in general elections and can vote for GOP primary candidates. a libertarian is not necessarily a member of the party. In other words a Libertarian can be a party member while a libertarian is more a philosopy

    The GOP has several wings-social conservatives, economic freedom advocates, libertarians etc (1 and 2 can have the same people, 1 and 3 is tougher)
    I meant more in terms of where the differences on the issues between the three. I realize that there are no definitive answers, and the question will probably get a different answer from each person answering. I am interested in your opinion.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    I voted for all of them except for ending welfare and amnesty. While an enemy of the police state, libertarianism still doesn't support flaunting the law, which illegal immigration does. Also, some basement level of welfare is necessary. How much exactly is up for debate, but you can't just totally get rid of it and expect Darwinism to mop up the side.

    I'm very strong at ending almost all subsidies that exist now and privatizing Social Security. I get really pissed when the government thinks they can spend my money better than I can. Give me my paycheck, and I can invest it on my own. Earn a prettier penny than you too, all while not giving into the slush fund you call Social Security.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I meant more in terms of where the differences on the issues between the three. I realize that there are no definitive answers, and the question will probably get a different answer from each person answering. I am interested in your opinion.


    sorry about the slow response, the board keeps locking up tonight and I get a Too busy message

    some republicans don't believe in Freedom when it comes to personal issues. Abortion, sodomy, drug use, gay marriage. LIbertarian Republicans generally are against the war on drugs, but some (and this includes libertarians who don't vote GOP) Libertarians are Pro Life. its one of the few issues where there is a genuine split.

    THe biggest differences in the GOP are on

    1) war on drugs
    2) foreign interventionist policies

    all three groups generally oppose escalating income tax rates, pro plaintiff judges, pro union policies, --ie income redistributionist policies

    another interesting split is on law enforcement. many republicans are very strong supporters of the police. some of the libertarian republicans are-depending on the issue or not-depending on the issue (ie few have use for crackdowns on victimless crimes)



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    Although I didn't vote for ending drug prohibition, I do support legalizing "some" drugs, just not sure that all of them should be legalized.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    I voted for everything but amnesty and ending welfare, but even in the things I voted for I'm not necessarily in favor of taking it to the extreme the Libertarian Paty would.

    Lassiez Faire Capitalism: Yes, I believe the free market is generally best left untampered with. Government regulation often has unintended consequences. Consequences that are often used as justification for further regulation. That said, certain regulations are needed.

    I'm a strong supporter of anti-trust laws, as the free market depends upon robust competition to work at an optimal level and monopolies are a antithesis of competition. I'm for reasonable safety standards since many defects or unsafe issues are easily concealed from the consumer, making it impossible for them to make an informed choice.

    I recogonize that pollution has a cost to all of us (aka society, a word so many libertarians seem to hate) and it is not accounted for in the price a company charges. Its called an externality cost and government is well suited to account for that cost through regulations. I recognize the market can fail - imagine the disaster that private roads would be. And government again is the ideal body to step in fill the gap left by those failures.

    So while I'm for laissez faire capitalism in general, I'm not opposed to any and all government involvement in the free market.

    End Drug Prohibition: Definitely favor the immediate legalization of pot. I've yet to hear an intelligent reason why it should be illegal, but alcohol and tobbacco should be legal. Harder drugs are a little harder for me to get a firm position on. Still most of the research shows that decriminalization and/or legalization has little impact on user rates and it would remove a massive source of revenue from various criminal cartels, while saving us a fortune in government expenditures.

    Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy: I don't favor non-interventionism because of some principled opposition to force or initiation of force. When it comes to foreign policy, I fall firmly in the realist camp. America should promote and pursure its interests actively. I happen to believe that our interests are often best served by a non-interventionist approach. That said, certain dire circumstance could warrant intervention (a nuclear Iran for instance) or even pre-emption.

    Ending Foreign Aid: Usually it ends up in the pockets of dictators anyway. I know its a tiny portion of the budget, but hey, every million helps and we need to start trimming the budget somewhere. I'm not opposed to humanitarian aid for disaster victims.

    End Gun Bans: The right to bear arms is as essential, if not moreso, as the right to free speech. Gun bans don't keep guns out of the hands of criminals, since they are by definition people who have qualms about breaking the law.

    Deregulate Health Care: Some tort reform would be nice also.

    Amnesty: No. I'd be willing to accept a pathway to citizenship, under certain circumstances, if it came along with truly effective measures to get control of our borders. America is a soveriegn nation and it has every right to control its borders. Our economy cannot handle an unlimited influx of unskilled laborers (which is what most illegal immigrants are). Furthermore, there are legitimate security concerns as well. Open borders a pipe dream that will never happen.

    End Welfare: I'm not opposed to offering some government assistance to the truly disabled. History has shown that private charity alone is not sufficient. I'm also not opposed to creating a tempory program designed to help people who have fallen on hard times get back on their feet. I'm strongly opposed to allowing able bodied individuals become long term dependents of the state.

    Opting out of Social Security: Please! I want out before this giant pyramid scheme comes crashing down and my generation is the one left holding the bill.
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