View Poll Results: Which of the following Libertarian Party Issues do you support(Libertarian only vote)

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  • Laissez Faire capitalism

    31 70.45%
  • End drug prohibition

    42 95.45%
  • avoid interventionism in foreign polic

    29 65.91%
  • End foreign aid

    30 68.18%
  • End gun bans

    37 84.09%
  • Deregulate healthcare

    32 72.73%
  • Semi-amnesty for illegal aliens(work for amnesty)

    15 34.09%
  • End welfare

    30 68.18%
  • Allow opting out of Social Security

    37 84.09%
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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I took everything but Laissez Faire capitalism, Deregulate healthcare, and End welfare.

    For capitalism, I believe in free market capitalism. In that the market is open and people may fairly enter it; succeed or fail by their own power. Laissez-faire does not do that, in fact it is one of the most closed of all systems (next to corporate capitalism, which is what we currently operate under). This is because monopoly and oligopoly quickly rise within the market place stiffing competition and closing off the market. Some amount of government regulation is necessary to ensure the free market remains free. Thus small amount of government is needed in the capitalist model.
    Name one monopoly that has ever formed without the aid of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Name one monopoly that has ever formed without the aid of government.
    De Beers


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Name one monopoly that has ever formed without the aid of government.
    In what way? All business is aided in some way by government. Could the government have helped the Rockefellers and others who created big monopolies during the rise of the robber barons? Sure could have. But that doesn't mean that without government intervention in the market that they can't occur. In fact, it could be nothing but the opposite. There are no mechanisms in place to prevent collusion, price setting, unfair business practices, etc. Lasizze-faire can do nothing but push towards monopoly and oligopoly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    De Beers
    The founder of De Beer, one Cecil Rhodes WAS government as a member of parliament and was under his companies were under Charter from the British Crown. lol

    In fact De Beers is the quintessential example of how the state aids in the creation of monopoly:

    Cecil Rhodes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The founder of De Beer, one Cecil Rhodes WAS government as a member of parliament and was under his companies were under Charter from the British Crown. lol

    In fact De Beers is the quintessential example of how the state aids in the creation of monopoly:

    Cecil Rhodes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    he only got into politics after forming de beers, it had no government help in forming, thus providing an example of a monopoly that formed without government help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In what way? All business is aided in some way by government. Could the government have helped the Rockefellers and others who created big monopolies during the rise of the robber barons? Sure could have. But that doesn't mean that without government intervention in the market that they can't occur. In fact, it could be nothing but the opposite.
    Monopolies can not form without governmental intervention.


    There are no mechanisms in place to prevent collusion, price setting, unfair business practices, etc. Lasizze-faire can do nothing but push towards monopoly and oligopoly.
    Um no market competition is the check on monopoly. If price setting occurred between a group of companies then a smaller company would come in and undercut them and those businesses who engaged in setting prices would quickly find themselves out of business. Price setting is only effective because the state protects the large corporations against smaller competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    he only got into politics after forming de beers, it had no government help in forming, thus providing an example of a monopoly that formed without government help.
    The monopoly didn't form until after he got his royal charters nor could it have formed without said charters.

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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
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    Your poll is a bit too black and white for me......
    Rev, I took each issue from the Libertarian party website, and included the link so you could see what they meant by each. The idea is to see how people line up with the Libertarian party itself.
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    Re: Libertarian Issues-Libertarians only please vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Rev, I took each issue from the Libertarian party website, and included the link so you could see what they meant by each. The idea is to see how people line up with the Libertarian party itself.




    Ahh. ok.... Well in that case, as I am sure you would agree. Libertarians like democrats, republicans, constitutionalists, etc. don't have to agree 100% with the whole of a platform or to the degree they put it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Monopolies can not form without governmental intervention.
    They can also form without it. Especially without it. There are a lot of things that business can interfere with and yes they can encourage monopoly and oligopoly as well. But it is possible to use government to dissuade from these as well. With no government, you're guaranteed monopoly and oligopoly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um no market competition is the check on monopoly. If price setting occurred between a group of companies then a smaller company would come in and undercut them and those businesses who engaged in setting prices would quickly find themselves out of business. Price setting is only effective because the state protects the large corporations against smaller competitors.
    You do know how this works right? The monopoly and oligopoly are the entities with all the leverage. If small business comes about, they undercut. The established entity already in control of most of the market share can take hits to profit to drive out competition. You kill off the little guys as they emerge, when not threatened by little guys you price fix. Your "market competition" doesn't exist in Laizze-faire. It's killed as soon as it makes the scene. This is how monopoly and oligopoly work. We've seen it before, measured. Been there done that. This is the real world, and in the real world laizze-faire does not work, it cannot ensure free market capitalism. Small amount of government regulation is necessary to ensure the free market.
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