View Poll Results: What Republican Leaders will have the most influence in the GOP?

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  • Sarah Palin

    11 16.92%
  • Mitt Romney

    13 20.00%
  • Ron Paul / Rand Paul

    23 35.38%
  • Eric Cantor

    8 12.31%
  • Paul Ryan

    8 12.31%
  • Gary Johnson

    5 7.69%
  • Governor Jindal

    10 15.38%
  • Tim Pawlenty

    7 10.77%
  • Jim DeMint

    2 3.08%
  • Other

    10 15.38%
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Thread: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

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    Re: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Wow; no clear consensus in this poll.
    I think that's a pretty telling statement on the state of the Republican party today.
    They have no clear leader, and none seems likely to emerge any time soon.
    I agree. I think there is as much of a chance that Hillary Clinton is elected Presidnet as there is a Republican.
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    Re: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

    The perfect government, as republicans see it, would be in Somalia.

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    Re: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    The perfect government, as republicans see it, would be in Somalia.
    That's just silly.
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    Re: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe View Post
    That's just silly.
    People used to say the same thing about Johnathan Swift.

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    Re: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

    Republicans don't need to worry about the presidency right now. They need to focus locally in state congressional elections, govenorships, and the House/Senate elections. The presidency is one/two people on a ticket and that election is over 2 years away. They are better served to get seats back in other area of government, a repeat of 94. Obama is going to be like Clinton, in that he is too popular culturally to unseat. A better government will be one that doesn't have one party with a monopoly of power.
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    Re: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Republicans don't need to worry about the presidency right now. They need to focus locally in state congressional elections, govenorships, and the House/Senate elections. The presidency is one/two people on a ticket and that election is over 2 years away. They are better served to get seats back in other area of government, a repeat of 94. Obama is going to be like Clinton, in that he is too popular culturally to unseat. A better government will be one that doesn't have one party with a monopoly of power.
    I don't think so much that Obama is too popular nationally to unseat but rather that the GOP doesn't have anyone nationally popular enough to compete with him in '12.

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    Re: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't think so much that Obama is too popular nationally to unseat but rather that the GOP doesn't have anyone nationally popular enough to compete with him in '12.
    Agreed. The GOP still hasn't developed a redeemable identity, primarily because Republicans haven't decided what direction they want the GOP to take. I mean, have they seen the error of their ways? Are they really ready to turn in a more Libertarian direction (Ron Paul) or a more responsible and serious direction (Paul Ryan)? Or do they need a real political manager to run the government effectively without upsetting anybody (Romney). Or do we need a combative president, willing to take on the Federal Bureaucracy with a vengeance (Chris Christie). What do Republicans want?

    I honestly have no idea. Republicans don't seem to have any concrete beliefs about how government should achieve the goals Republicans profess to believe.
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    Re: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe View Post
    Agreed. The GOP still hasn't developed a redeemable identity, primarily because Republicans haven't decided what direction they want the GOP to take. I mean, have they seen the error of their ways? Are they really ready to turn in a more Libertarian direction (Ron Paul) or a more responsible and serious direction (Paul Ryan)? Or do they need a real political manager to run the government effectively without upsetting anybody (Romney). Or do we need a combative president, willing to take on the Federal Bureaucracy with a vengeance (Chris Christie). What do Republicans want?

    I honestly have no idea. Republicans don't seem to have any concrete beliefs about how government should achieve the goals Republicans profess to believe.
    But the same thing could be said about Democrats. I mean the reason why the Democrats aren't governing as well as their voter base wants is because they're split on issues as well. I mean we have Liberals who want to nationalize more services, Progressives who only want to nationalize key services, such as health care, and Blue Dogs who seem to just want to maintain the status quo. Right now, full on Liberals seem to a minority, and there's conflict between the Progressives and the Blue Dogs.

    But this is all because of our voting system. A winner-take-all system naturally tends to two-party systems to prevent spoilers. Such a two-party system demands a broad party base to take in as many voters as possible. I'd prefer it if we used IRV to get a multi-party system with better party discipline so voters can know just what they're voting for.

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    Re: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

    The GOP is currently going through an identity crisis of sorts. It may take some time to reach a new stable and sufficiently broad-based consensus. What I believe the Party needs are candidates who can combine problem-solving, a demonstrated ability to find common ground and forge alliances to reach policy decisions that can be widely supported (as will be needed if entitlement reform and fundamental health care reform are to be pursued to address the nation's long-term fiscal challenges), understanding of the nation's critical overseas interests (something both non-interventionists/isolationists who see few or no such interests, and neoconservatives who cannot distinguish between peripheral and critical interests, lack), and strong communication skills. Governor Romney might be a transitional candidate. Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan might be the kind of candidates around which the GOP can coalesce down the road (both have policy ideas, but they will need to accumulate some policy successes to gain national awareness).

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    Re: Who is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    But the same thing could be said about Democrats. I mean the reason why the Democrats aren't governing as well as their voter base wants is because they're split on issues as well. I mean we have Liberals who want to nationalize more services, Progressives who only want to nationalize key services, such as health care, and Blue Dogs who seem to just want to maintain the status quo. Right now, full on Liberals seem to a minority, and there's conflict between the Progressives and the Blue Dogs.

    But this is all because of our voting system. A winner-take-all system naturally tends to two-party systems to prevent spoilers. Such a two-party system demands a broad party base to take in as many voters as possible. I'd prefer it if we used IRV to get a multi-party system with better party discipline so voters can know just what they're voting for.
    I agree. I think that would be a good system. However, it has its own problems, don't you think? Canada and the UK aren't in that much better shape than we are politically or economically speaking. I think a better solution is to return to a State-Driven Constitutional Republic. Have the Senators nominated by the States and Representatives elected by the people.

    But in the end, I think the people needs to start getting themselves informed. The Two Party system isn't a failure because the Republicans and Democrats won't allow third parties. The American People just don't vote for third party candidates.
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