View Poll Results: What should happen to this child and her mom?

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  • If they are illegal, deport them both immediately!

    29 65.91%
  • If they are illegal, deport her mom, but she can stay.

    4 9.09%
  • They both can stay.

    8 18.18%
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Thread: What should happen to this little girl?

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    Re: What should happen to this little girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    So what is your thought on the issue....??
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    Thanks, Cole! =)

    Personally, I think she should stay, as I believe that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside" (14th Amendment). I believe "persons" is a rather liberal term here, as the child is obviously a minor and not accorded the same privileges as an adult. Your interpretation might be different, of course, and that's fine. I also don't have an issue with her mother staying, provided she gets citizenship asap. It should be a simple matter given the popularity of this story, and I imagine she'd jump at the opportunity.
    Last edited by Singularity; 05-23-10 at 03:35 PM.

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    Re: What should happen to this little girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Jucon I agree humans aren't objects, AND the America's founding fathers give this little girl the right too live here even thought her mother is here illegally. This little girl seem to value being an American is that not what we want in people who come here? I feel sorry for the little girl, and the fact that she blew the secrete on her mother too the first lady, and Mexico's first lady

    Feds Won't Pursue After Girl Says Mom Lacks Papers | NBC Washington

    I have a update about this little girls family, and I think they made the right call in this. That someone who is proud
    Contrary to popular belief our forefathers did not write the section 1 of the 14th amendment to include any and everybody born on US soil. They wrote it to make the freed slave into US citizens.Why else have the Indian citizenship act of 1924 and the nationality act of 1940 that made anyone born in the US a citizen if section 1 of the 14th applied to anyone born on US soil?
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    Re: What should happen to this little girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Interesting approach. But wouldn't that translate to all anyone needs to do is sneak across the border with $200 in their pocket and they are good to go for the long term??


    Seems a little dicey at first glance.....


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    Not if the register stations were located at the border.

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    Re: What should happen to this little girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Watch the video:

    'My Mom Doesn't Have Papers' - Video - FoxNews.com

    (Story and another video found here)

    Girl Outs Mom's Citizenship Status During Obama Visit | NBC Washington

    In your opinion, what do you think should happen to this little girl and her family now that she inadvertently blew the whistle on them?
    The little girl is secondary to the issue of the mother being here illegally. The mother should be immediately investigated and, if found to be illegal, deported and given the option of taking her little girl with her, leaving her behind with relatives, or leaving her behind for adoption.

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    Re: What should happen to this little girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Thanks, Cole! =)

    Personally, I think she should stay, as I believe that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside" (14th Amendment). I believe "persons" is a rather liberal term here, as the child is obviously a minor and not accorded the same privileges as an adult. Your interpretation might be different, of course, and that's fine. I also don't have an issue with her mother staying, provided she gets citizenship asap. It should be a simple matter given the popularity of this story, and I imagine she'd jump at the opportunity.
    So most of this this statement is a lie.

    "No, I gave no such logic, nor do I believe in such a thing. And regarding your poll issue, it was simply a matter of on-the-spot choice when I put it up. I have no real preference either way."
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What should happen to this little girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So most of this this statement is a lie.
    Straw man. Your original statement was "by your logic we shouldn't throw someone into prison for a crime if they have a child", which is totally unrepresentative of my position. I certainly do believe that we should throw people into prison if they have a child if they are guilty of crimes such as murder, molestation, etc. In this case, however, I do not.

    In the future, you'd do much better avoiding such arguments - provided it is an actual debate you are seeking. I certainly enjoy hearing arguments from the other side, so what say we avoid such off-base generalizations in the future for the sake of a more honest exchange? Thanks.
    Last edited by Singularity; 05-24-10 at 12:15 AM.

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    Re: What should happen to this little girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Straw man. Your original statement was "by your logic we shouldn't throw someone into prison for a crime if they have a child", which is totally unrepresentative of my position. I certainly do believe that we should throw people into prison if they have a child if they are guilty of crimes such as murder, molestation, etc. In this case, however, I do not.
    So the law should not be applied equally? I know allot of people deported would love to know the US government is playing favorites.

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    In the future, you'd do much better avoiding such arguments - provided it is an actual debate you are seeking. I certainly enjoy hearing arguments from the other side, so what say we avoid such off-base generalizations in the future for the sake of a more honest debate? Thanks.
    I don't think it was a straw man at all. To many people when it comes to law are to quick to make exceptions depending on cuteness etc.

    Either the law should apply to everyone, or no one at all. This is the only way our system can work for the people, all of the people.
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    Re: What should happen to this little girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So the law should not be applied equally? I know allot of people deported would love to know the US government is playing favorites.
    I never said that the law should be applied unequally. What I said was that I disagree with the law, therefore, I disagree with deporting the child and her mother. If you think that they both should be deported, great! That's why I started this poll, to see who agrees/disagrees with my position, and what reasons they give.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't think it was a straw man at all. To many people when it comes to law are to quick to make exceptions depending on cuteness etc.

    Either the law should apply to everyone, or no one at all. This is the only way our system can work for the people, all of the people.
    His argument was a straw man because it misrepresented my position. I am against deportation/imprisonment in this case, which was superficially turned into an argument that I am against imprisoning ALL mothers with children who break the law.
    Last edited by Singularity; 05-24-10 at 12:25 AM.

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    Re: What should happen to this little girl?

    Deport the mother, give the kid to social services. Might make people think twice about their anchor babies

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    Re: What should happen to this little girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I think that she should be investigate for illegal immigration, and if she is an illegal immigrant, she should be made to go through the immigration process and if she's acceptable she and her child should be able to stay. A judge should then make the mother do community service. If her mother fails the immigration process, deport them both.
    What about those who have applied legally and have been waiting for years to be accepted. Why does this individual get special status amongst those who do it the right way.

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