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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    They probably would be, but I think that's independent and mutually exclusive to libertarianism.
    Not all of it, but much of it isn't.
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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Jefferson would be considered a libertarian today.
    Sally Hemmings might disagree.
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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... States rights is something both the Founding slave owners and Libertarians all seem to be fond of.
    Do you think France should be able to determine what Germany does with it's laws?
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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Do you think France should be able to determine what Germany does with it's laws?
    The EU prohibits member states from violating certain human rights, just as the US does. So if you're talking specifically about a human rights violation like slavery as opposed to, say, German contract law, then yes France has a right to be involved as a member of the EU.
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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The EU prohibits member states from violating certain human rights. The US does the same (i.e. slavery). So if you're talking specifically about a human rights violation as opposed to, say, German contract law, then yes France has a right to be involved as a member of the EU.
    Yea but so many people misunderstand the issue of states rights.

    Hatuey, like many others, goes out of his way to equate states rights with slavery every time.
    As if one bad occurrence, of the use of states rights, means that the philosophy is totally invalid.
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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... States rights is something both the Founding slave owners and Libertarians all seem to be fond of.
    And I believe everyone regardless of lean should feel this way. Consider this, instead of trying to change the entire nation to please a portion of the population while upsetting another portion. With more state powers and less Federal oversight and control, we can have 50 flavors to choose from. So for example CA wants to be extreamly left and the majority of its citizens agree, why should people in the rest of the nation need to live with the same laws/freedoms/ect if they do not wish to. It would be in the benefit for everyone (left/right/center). Instead of each side fighting the entire nation over things that would affect them (and by doing so achieving little) they would only need to worry about there own state for the most part.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    This wild man surely was:


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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea but so many people misunderstand the issue of states rights.

    Hatuey, like many others, goes out of his way to equate states rights with slavery every time.
    As if one bad occurrence, of the use of states rights, means that the philosophy is totally invalid.
    But it points a major flaw in states' rights. States' rights advocates say that their philosophy protects against oppression from the national government. However, the national government can protect from oppression by state governments.

    Personally, I prefer for the national government and the state governments to compete with each other for the popularity of their voters.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    And I believe everyone regardless of lean should feel this way. Consider this, instead of trying to change the entire nation to please a portion of the population while upsetting another portion. With more state powers and less Federal oversight and control, we can have 50 flavors to choose from. So for example CA wants to be extreamly left and the majority of its citizens agree, why should people in the rest of the nation need to live with the same laws/freedoms/ect if they do not wish to. It would be in the benefit for everyone (left/right/center). Instead of each side fighting the entire nation over things that would affect them (and by doing so achieving little) they would only need to worry about there own state for the most part.
    Because some rights should be protected nationally, equality being one of them.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea but so many people misunderstand the issue of states rights.

    Hatuey, like many others, goes out of his way to equate states rights with slavery every time.
    As if one bad occurrence, of the use of states rights, means that the philosophy is totally invalid.
    I guess Hatuey supports the suspension of Habeas Corpus then or the collectivization of the Soviet Farms.

    we all can play that game. States rights were an inherent assumption of the founders. Its called the tenth amendment



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