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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The terms you use to describe the platform of the LP are not those that the LP uses to describe itself.
    Everything in their platform is either anarchist or minarchist in nature.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Everything in their platform is either anarchist or minarchist in nature.
    Make up your mind -- is it anarchist or minarchist?
    Nothing in the LP platform supports the former.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Make up your mind -- is it anarchist or minarchist?
    Nothing in the LP platform supports the former.
    Exactly. It's one of the most annoying misconceptions as well, and pretty much illustrates that some people have no clue as to what they're talking about when they address libertarianism on the whole. Libertarianism is not anarchism, they are two very different things.

    As to the founders, they are well closer to modern day Libertarianism than they are to either of the main parties.
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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I said individual sovereignty. The right of the Federal Government to levy taxes, regulate commerce, conscript armies etc are violations of the right of self ownership and the non-aggression principle.
    Again only to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The Founding Fathers were not Libertarians they were Federalists.
    They were AGAIN closer to libertarians than anything else we have today even if they weren't.

    PS some were Federalists some weren't. This according to their own definition.
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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Spud, I got mine from the LP website. AF got his from ?????
    Just to make the point, when I was doing my polls on what Libertarians believed, I had it made clear to me that many(most?) do not believe the same as the LP website.
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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    No he didn't.. no he didn't..


    Yes he done he done bring up the slavery argument

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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As to the founders, they are well closer to modern day Libertarianism than they are to either of the main parties.
    Care to expound upon that?

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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    As an aside, all this thread has proved to me is that the Libertarian Party is as fractious as the Republican Party and the Democratic Party in their make-up.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Care to expound upon that?
    I think it's rather self-explanitory. The main parties now are for more and more government expansion with greater emphasis on federal power along with interventionist policies. While the founders can't all be whitewashed into a single political philosophy, many held convictions of limited government with power delegated to smaller governments such as State and local governments. There was a fairly large push for minarchism as well. In those terms, while modern day libertarianism may not be exactly the same thing; it is much closer to the overall political philosophy than the current main parties are.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: The Founding Fathers Were Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Make up your mind -- is it anarchist or minarchist?
    Nothing in the LP platform supports the former.
    Individual sovereignty is the central plank of the libertarian platform, it is the first line IN the platform, and the sovereignty of the individual is antithetical to a statist society.

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