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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Only if you accept that humans are animals. Not all of us do.

    Even from an evolutionary and neurological standpoint, the degree of complexity of the human brain is vastly greater than that of almost any animal, with the possible and debateable exception of chimps and dolphins.
    Comletely agree. I was just pointing out, what I consider an error, in his terminology... animals. If one animal has emotions it is logical to assume that other animals have emotions. It was the inherent flaw of his question, that's all.



    Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
    Every animal (almost) has emotions.
    The thing is how well developed those emotions are.

    Do most animals have fear, yes.
    Do most animals have fear of tomorrow, probably not.

    Most of their emotions are instinctual.
    Although, domesticated animals may be developing long term, non instinctual emotions.
    Again, completely agree. Though when I asked my dog if she wanted a steak tomorrow, she was happy until the next day, soooo...

    Again, it is the depth or the question that I consider issue...
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Again, completely agree. Though when I asked my dog if she wanted a steak tomorrow, she was happy until the next day, soooo...

    Again, it is the depth or the question that I consider issue...
    Much to the chagrin of my cat, I love dogs.

    If humans were all wiped out tomorrow, dogs would replace them at the top of the food chain.
    We are educating them, which I believe in the long term will enhance them to be intelligent humanoids in the future.

    I think that is the reason they are considered mans best friend because we share so many commonalities.
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Much to the chagrin of my cat, I love dogs.

    If humans were all wiped out tomorrow, dogs would replace them at the top of the food chain.
    We are educating them, which I believe in the long term will enhance them to be intelligent humanoids in the future.

    I think that is the reason they are considered mans best friend because we share so many commonalities.
    That's an interesting discussion waiting to happen... what animal would essentially dominate if humans were wiped out?

    Lions?
    Dog packs?
    Apes?
    Bears?

    I would think that chimps and bonobos might take over...
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Lots of animals clearly show emotions.Im not aware that it is even scientifically debated that no unhuman animals have emotions.
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That's an interesting discussion waiting to happen... what animal would essentially dominate if humans were wiped out?

    Lions?
    Dog packs?
    Apes?
    Bears?

    I would think that chimps and bonobos might take over...
    I can't think of anything other than dogs.

    They are adaptable to all nearly all climates, primary carnivores but they are omnivorous, intelligent, they use forward group planning for capturing food.

    They are very similar to early humans except they go on four legs, for now.
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That's an interesting discussion waiting to happen... what animal would essentially dominate if humans were wiped out?

    Lions?
    Dog packs?
    Apes?
    Bears?

    I would think that chimps and bonobos might take over...
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    WTF does age have to do with this ****ing dumb ass poll?

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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Those who work with animals and train them, professional trainers, tend to speak in terms of drives, rather than emotions.

    Drives in this context refers to instictive or learned behaviors exhibited in the presence of certain stimuli.

    Dogs are the animal with which I'm most familiar in this sense, having had training by a professional in dealing with dogs.

    Dogs primary drives include predation, territorial defense, submission, and fear. They can relate to humans in all these drives, usually viewing humans as alphas, or sometimes as equals; sometimes as threats, and sometimes as prey animals.

    I've seen all these drives modeled by real dogs, both in training classes and in "the field".

    The funny thing is a dog can switch drives like flipping a lightswitch. Seriously, they can be in predation mode, ripping the crap out of a trainer's protective sleeve... then two seconds later the same trainer can be petting them on the head, once the context that made them "go predator" is removed.

    I won't say that dogs don't have feelings of some kind, because I believe they do; but I think their feelings operate very differently from humans.

    How many humans can turn their emotions on and off like that? Switch from "KILL!!!!" to "oh you want to scratch my ears? Joy joy joy..." in two seconds? Well, the human equivalents of those feelings I mean.

    Human emotions tend to be more persistent. We have long-lasting emotional reactions to things that engender strong feelings, even long after the stimulus is removed. For the most part, dogs don't seem to.

    I won't say that animals don't have feelings and emotions of some kind, based on instinctive drives and some degree of learned behavior, but I don't think there is any close correlation to human emotions. Human emotions, like human thoughts, can have incredible depths and nuances; animal feelings/drives tend to be fairly simple and directly correlate to their basic drives: food, survival, reproduction, pack status, etc.

    My two bits..

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    what about the stories we hear of dogs finding their way home after months of being lost? wouldn't that assume a long lasting connection?

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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    WTF does age have to do with this ****ing dumb ass poll?
    not sure if you saw my original post, but I have a theory I'm wanting to test, which is why I put age in there

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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora151989 View Post
    This poll/question considers birds and mammals. I'm pretty sure reptiles, amphibians and fish have emotions, but not in a way we would understand.

    Also want to test a theory I have, feel free to discuss dare I say... debate,

    or tell if your view has changed over the years.
    There should be a "don't know" option since I don't know. Perhaps some of the more "advanced" creatures have emotions. Some of the lesser evolved probably not so much. But again, not something we have conclusive testing on so not something we can say with any amount of certainty.
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