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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    My guess is, the latter.
    so would that be emotion, or just an instinctual fight or flight mechanism?

    although dogs and cats show human-like fear, 'cause dogs are often scared of thunder and fireworks, cats are scared of me when i throw rocks at them when they're trying to break into my budgies cage, which is when i think birds show a form of fear, 'cause when the cats are harassing her, my budgie will go to the furthest corner of her cage and screech at them, so she is obviously scared, but when i had pet lizards, they didn't scare at all, they would try and pick a fight with the lawnmower (lucky i saw them before i ran them over).

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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?


    Unquestionably, yes. I've always believed so.






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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Partially, yes of course.
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora151989 View Post
    This poll/question considers birds and mammals. I'm pretty sure reptiles, amphibians and fish have emotions, but not in a way we would understand.

    Also want to test a theory I have, feel free to discuss dare I say... debate,

    or tell if your view has changed over the years.

    Those who work with animals and train them, professional trainers, tend to speak in terms of drives, rather than emotions.

    Drives in this context refers to instictive or learned behaviors exhibited in the presence of certain stimuli.

    Dogs are the animal with which I'm most familiar in this sense, having had training by a professional in dealing with dogs.

    Dogs primary drives include predation, territorial defense, submission, and fear. They can relate to humans in all these drives, usually viewing humans as alphas, or sometimes as equals; sometimes as threats, and sometimes as prey animals.

    I've seen all these drives modeled by real dogs, both in training classes and in "the field".

    The funny thing is a dog can switch drives like flipping a lightswitch. Seriously, they can be in predation mode, ripping the crap out of a trainer's protective sleeve... then two seconds later the same trainer can be petting them on the head, once the context that made them "go predator" is removed.

    I won't say that dogs don't have feelings of some kind, because I believe they do; but I think their feelings operate very differently from humans.

    How many humans can turn their emotions on and off like that? Switch from "KILL!!!!" to "oh you want to scratch my ears? Joy joy joy..." in two seconds? Well, the human equivalents of those feelings I mean.

    Human emotions tend to be more persistent. We have long-lasting emotional reactions to things that engender strong feelings, even long after the stimulus is removed. For the most part, dogs don't seem to.

    I won't say that animals don't have feelings and emotions of some kind, based on instinctive drives and some degree of learned behavior, but I don't think there is any close correlation to human emotions. Human emotions, like human thoughts, can have incredible depths and nuances; animal feelings/drives tend to be fairly simple and directly correlate to their basic drives: food, survival, reproduction, pack status, etc.

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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    very interesting Goshin, well explained too

    The dog has been trained to act a certain way towards a certain command. Like say human actors act out all kinds of emotion, and can be quite believable.

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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    My dog expressed some ennui just yesterday.
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Animals have the same feelings we have for sure. Except they mostly communicate with body language only. When I have gone too long without petting the dog you can see her eyes change. See the sadness within and she will mope around waiting for me to pet her. When I pull her up and cuddle her she even lets out a sigh of relief.
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    How many humans can turn their emotions on and off like that? Switch from "KILL!!!!" to "oh you want to scratch my ears? Joy joy joy..." in two seconds?
    At least 10 times a day.
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    [QUOTE=Goshin;1058766095]Those who work with animals and train them, professional trainers, tend to speak in terms of drives, rather than emotions.

    Drives in this context refers to instictive or learned behaviors exhibited in the presence of certain stimuli.)End Quote

    As for instance observed behaviour in Rats/Apes/Monkeys/Octopus' etc in controlled Laboratory conditions.?

    Quote(Dogs are the animal with which I'm most familiar in this sense, having had training by a professional in dealing with dogs.

    Dogs primary drives include predation, territorial defense, submission, and fear. They can relate to humans in all these drives, usually viewing humans as alphas, or sometimes as equals; sometimes as threats, and sometimes as prey animals.

    I've seen all these drives modeled by real dogs, both in training classes and in "the field".

    The funny thing is a dog can switch drives like flipping a lightswitch. Seriously, they can be in predation mode, ripping the crap out of a trainer's protective sleeve... then two seconds later the same trainer can be petting them on the head, once the context that made them "go predator" is removed.

    I won't say that dogs don't have feelings of some kind, because I believe they do; but I think their feelings operate very differently from humans.)End quote

    As (in your proposal) you recognize that Dogs are different animals than humans, would it not be reasonable to suggest that their emotions are also different?

    Quote(How many humans can turn their emotions on and off like that? Switch from "KILL!!!!" to "oh you want to scratch my ears? Joy joy joy..." in two seconds? Well, the human equivalents of those feelings I mean.

    Human emotions tend to be more persistent. We have long-lasting emotional reactions to things that engender strong feelings, even long after the stimulus is removed. For the most part, dogs don't seem to.

    I won't say that animals don't have feelings and emotions of some kind, based on instinctive drives and some degree of learned behavior, but I don't think there is any close correlation to human emotions. Human emotions, like human thoughts, can have incredible depths and nuances; animal feelings/drives tend to be fairly simple and directly correlate to their basic drives: food, survival, reproduction, pack status, etc.) End quote

    When you are able to observe the depths and nuances of any animals emotional state then an informed statement or statements can be made, until that time all Humankind can do with regards to the emotional state of the other creatures that also co-dwell on this planet is offer unprovable suppositions.

    Humanity always likes to view itself as the 'Superior' creature in a variety of ways!
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    Re: do non-human animals have emotions, feelings?

    My cats and dogs have always reacted to me in emotional ways, and me to them. My observation on this has not changed.

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